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Reply #570 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 11:28pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for. Why let in the enemy??

Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims. Roll Eyes

Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.

This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.

I put the proposition in large letters in case Brain and you and the rest of the no-Islam-to-see-here crowd have missed it the first time around - and sure enough, you missed it, all you noticed was the font.

So go on, show us how you can reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

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Reply #571 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 6:38pm

Soren wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 11:28pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for. Why let in the enemy??

Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims. Roll Eyes

Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.

This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.

I put the proposition in large letters in case Brain and you and the rest of the no-Islam-to-see-here crowd have missed it the first time around - and sure enough, you missed it, all you noticed was the font.

So go on, show us how you can reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

Not sure, old boy. But don’t forget to write it big next time, okay?

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Reply #572 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 6:43pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Big Donger wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 11:28pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 19^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

Why not keep Muslims out of Europe? Islam IS the enemy of everything Europe stands for. Islam is the enemy of everything the West generally stands for. Why let in the enemy??

Some Muslims are, without a doubt, Soren but you cannot make that claim about ALL Muslims. Roll Eyes

Yes, ALL Muslims.

You cannot be an avowed Muslim and liberal democrat at the same time.

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.

This post must be right. It’s in really big writing.

I put the proposition in large letters in case Brain and you and the rest of the no-Islam-to-see-here crowd have missed it the first time around - and sure enough, you missed it, all you noticed was the font.

So go on, show us how you can reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

Not sure, old boy. But don’t forget to write it big next time, okay?

You are avoiding, PB.

Typically, you have no idea but you are shouting to deflect from that fact.

This is not a thread about typography, PB, but about sharia and secular liberal democracy.

I say they cannot be reconciled. If you disagree, explain. Otherwise go on shouting about typography, there's a good PB.

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Reply #573 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:05pm

We’ve had this jolly discussion plenty of times, old boy. For you, it all comes down to some middle ages ruling on the witness testimony of women being worth half of that of a man.

Liberal democracy can be reconciled with plenty of things, including (paradoxically) a monarchy,

In law, it can be reconciled with traditional Aboriginal payback law. It can be reconciled with a number of dispute resolution processes, including the Jewish Beth Din, a "court" in Melbourne. And yes, in family law, it can be reconciled with religious mediation processes like Sharia.

This, after all, is what liberalism is all about - letting individuals do whatevEr they like as long as it doesn’t bother anyone else.

Sorry to mention the l word, old boy. I know how you hate it so. I promise not to bring it up again.

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Reply #574 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:16pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 2:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 12:28am:

Soren wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Any Muslim who believes in Islam wholeheartedly cannot fit into a secular, democratic, liberal society.
There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

None.

Yet I have met and known Muslims whom have done exactly that, Soren. Roll Eyes

You are lying.

There is no way to reconcile sharia and secular liberalism.

I am not lying, Soren. You offer no proof that I am knowingly telling an untruth. Indeed, you offer no proof at all to support your claims about the irreconcilability of Sharia and Secular Liberalism. You just shout and jump up and down. Sorry, that doesn't cut it when I know there are Muslims who have managed to reconcile their religion with modern, Secular Liberalism. Roll Eyes

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Reply #575 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 6:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 12:29am:

Soren wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 20^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:

Well they do but only on a temporary basis, Soren. Most people seek permanent safety and freedom, as well as economic prosperity. Isn't that why you fled to Australia? Roll Eyes

Why doesn't the Islamic Ummah provide permanent safety and prosperity to Muslims??

Why do Muslims have to seek safety and prosperity among the kuffar?

By moving to the West, they repudiate Islam. By carrying on as Muslims once they are in the West, they repudiate the West.

Do not bring Islam to the West, it is not a positive contribution. Make your utopian Islamic Ummah a reality in the 'Muslim lands' (which is what everyone is fleeing).

Islam is the Bad News. It's the cancer in the Middle East which is now metastasising to the rest of the world.

You really do have rather a black and white view on the world, Soren. Time you grew up a little bit, instead of hiding behind your Freudian masque all the time. Roll Eyes

Sooooo - why aren't Muslim countries SETTLING Muslim Syrian, Afghan, Palestinian, Iranian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Kosovar, Somali refugees?

Explain, Brain, in your infinitely nuanced and know-it-all way.

They are basically selfish, Soren. Rather simple really. Just as Australian selfishness has surfaced under the Howard and successive Governments here downunder. People refuse to help those in need, preferring to shuttle them off to the Gulags in Nairu and Manus Island. Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes

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Reply #577 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

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Reply #578 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.

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Reply #579 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

If you took a wrong turn while bushwalking and found yourself headed towards a cliff, would you carry on straight ahead?

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Reply #580 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:16pm

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Indeed. My neighbours respect my fence. Respecting theirs is hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.

This, as the old boy might say, is the essence of liberal democracy.

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Reply #581 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:45pm

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

If you took a wrong turn while bushwalking and found yourself headed towards a cliff, would you carry on straight ahead?

Are you making a wider point here, Honky?

Are you, for example, referring to the human race?

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Reply #582 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm

double plus good wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.

The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country. The UN is an absolute joke.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #583 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:59pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.

The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.

Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #584 - Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 9:02pm

Big Donger wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:59pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 8:49pm:

double plus good wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:22pm:

... wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Perhaps we all need to get together and sort this problem out, rather than just build fences and have navy ships patrol the oceans? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Perhaps. Or perhaps we need to respect each others boundaries.

Then we shouldn't have signed the UN Refugee Convention. Oops! Too late! Roll Eyes

We didn't sign anything. Some bunch of do-gooder politicians signed it.

The dopes can sign what they want I don't have to support any dopeyMORON that wants to trash this country.

Don’t take this personally, Homo. Matty means this in the nicest possible way.

Homo's , Matty's in every thread, my goodness you are one seriously screwed up nutbar aren't you mate.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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