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Reply #510 - Aug 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies


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How is itSoren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK


umm so you accuse me of lying about the Syrian conflict - by bringing up an anecdote about the UK?

So the ummah business is all BS - you Muslims are strictly nation-state based Muslims.

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Reply #511 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 7:44am
 

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Islamic State: One Aussie devotee a day

NEW figures show that each day at least one would-be terrorist is trying to fly out of Australia to take up arms alongside Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.


  http://www.couriermail.com.au/
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Reply #512 - Aug 21st, 2015 at 10:09am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 10:23pm:
So the ummah business is all BS


lol - of course it is.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #513 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 12:21am
 

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KIDNAPPED, beaten, sold and raped: the Islamic State group is running an international market in Iraq where Christian and Yazidi women are sold as sexual slaves, a teenager who escaped has revealed.

Jinan, 18, a Yazidi, was captured in early 2014 and held by IS jihadists for three months before she managed to flee, she said on a visit to Paris ahead of the publication of a book about her ordeal.

Seized as IS fighters swept through northern regions inhabited by the Yazidi religious minority, Jinan was moved around between several locations before being bought by two men, a former policeman and an imam.

She described how she and other Yazidi prisoners were locked up in a house.

“They tortured us, tried to forcefully convert us. If we refused we were beaten, chained outdoors in the sun, forced to drink water with dead mice in it. Sometimes they threatened to torture us with electricity,” she said.
Speaking up ... Jinan is an Iraqi Yazidi woman who escaped the Islamic State jihadist group.

“These men are not human. They only think of death, killing. They take drugs constantly. They seek vengeance against everyone. They say that one day Islamic State will rule over the whole world.”

In the book, Jinan describes how once, in Mosul, she was led into “a massive reception hall with large columns ... dozens of women were gathered there.”

“The fighters circulated among us, laughing raucously, pinching our backsides,” she writes in “Daesh’s Slave”, using an Arabic acronym for the jihadist group.

During such “slave markets” she saw Iraqis and Syrians but also Westerners whose nationality she could not discern.
A law unto themselves ... a loyal member of the Islamic State group.

The best-looking girls were reserved for the bosses or wealthy clients from Gulf nations.

Once she was sold, Jinan’s days were punctuated by men’s visits to the house where she was imprisoned with other women.

Fighters came to make their purchases in the foyer where traders acted as intermediaries between the slave owners and emirs who inspected the “livestock”, Jinan wrote in the book, which was written with the help of French journalist Thierry Oberle.

Convinced that she did not speak Arabic, Janin’s two owners spoke freely in front of her, and one night she heard a conversation revealing the extent to which the slave trade is run like a business.

“A man cannot purchase more than three women, unless he is from Syria, Turkey or a Gulf nation,” said one, named Abou Omar.

“It’s good for business,” replied the other, Abou Anas.

“A Saudi buyer has transport and food costs that a member of the Islamic State does not. He has a higher quota to make his purchases profitable.

“It is a good deal: the Islamic State increases its profits to support the mujahideen and our foreign brothers are satisfied.”

After managing to escape using a set of stolen keys, Jinan made her way back to her husband and is now living in a Yazidi refugee camp in Iraqi Kurdistan.

“If we go back home, there will be other genocides against us. The only solution is that we have a region to ourselves, under international protection,” she said


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/islamic-states-sex-trade-jinan-a-yazidi...
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Reply #514 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:24am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20th, 2015 at 4:34pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
Really?  As a Muslims you are not supposed to be dealing in Porkies


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How is itSoren wrote on Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
SHIITE IMAM CALLS FOR POLICE PROTECTION AMID RISE OF MUSLIM SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN UK


umm so you accuse me of lying about the Syrian conflict - by bringing up an anecdote about the UK?

Why? Islam in the UK is not the same religion as Islam in the rest of the world? Is it just a quirky coincidence 9or a conspiracy) that the ideology in the UK is also called islam?

Nuffin' to do wiv Islam in the ME and elsewhere?

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Reply #515 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am
 
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #516 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.

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Reply #517 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #518 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.



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Reply #519 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 11:43pm
 
Yes, old boy, but the purpose of your communication is to shed stool. We presume.

It is a jolly world, no?
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Reply #520 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #521 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???

The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.

I suspect you are crippled by the requirement not to criticise Islam and so every time you could be critical you simply assert that there is no Islam to see here. But when there is no criticism, its all the good influence of Islam. It's very developmentally stunted.





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Reply #522 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 7:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???

The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.

I suspect you are crippled by the requirement not to criticise Islam and so every time you could be critical you simply assert that there is no Islam to see here. But when there is no criticism, its all the good influence of Islam. It's very developmentally stunted.


You are just inventing a whole bunch of strawmen.

I never said Islam is not front and centre to this conflict - or any conflict in the Middle East. Of course it is. And I was emphasising that fact by pointing out who the secularists are and why the are fighting (ie to rid themselves the scourge of militant Islamism).
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Reply #523 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 7:28pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 6:22pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:24pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:15pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 6:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:59am:
My comment was only about Syria Soren.

Neither Assad's soldiers or the YPG are killing IS, Al-Nusra and other Islamists "in the name of Islam" as you claimed. As Baron will be only too happy to point out (ad-nauseum), the YPG is essentially an atheist outfit.



SO the Islamic Middle East has nuffin to do with Islam, the Islamic State, the Army of Allah, etc, have nuffin' to do wiv Islam, it is all very secular, non-religious, non-shia/sunni, the Saudi/Iranian rivalry is non-existent, the sunni/shia schism is non-existent.

In fact ISIL is a ring of peace of people inspired the ring of peace around that Oslo mosque.



You completely and spectacularly misunderstood my point soren. Go back and read it again.

Well, how about making your meaning plain - instead of slippin' and slidin' and forever protesting that 'that's not what I said'.

After all, you DO want to be understood, and understood right,  don't you? So why not be unambiguous - for a change? If I misunderstand you, make yourself clearer.

The purpose of your communication is to shed light, not to obscure - I presume.



Be clear when you are asked to be clear.  Unless you cannot be - in which case be clear about that.


I really don't know how clearer I could have been.

Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???

The 'secularists' are not fighting each other, primarily, but Islamic forces - Hezb'allah, ISIL, Al Nusra and a score of other jihadists. Nevertheless, there is a clear sectarian dimension to all the 'secularist' players.

There are no shias and sunnis fighting side by side. The battle fronts are drawn along sectarian lines even if some, like the Syrian government, is talking in non-religious terms.

Your attempt to airbrush the massive camel in the room - Muslim sectarian conflict - is nonsensical. As nonsensical, at least, as if I argued that the Thirty Years war had niffin' to wiv Christianity.

I don't quite understand why Muslims like you are forever trying to explain away the importance of Islam when you are behaving badly but praise it to the sky as the good oil when you do good. It's a religion with particularly nasty teaching. Just because millions of Muslims are not acting in accordance with its nastier dictates doesn't mean that those who do have nuffin to do wiv Islam.

I suspect you are crippled by the requirement not to criticise Islam and so every time you could be critical you simply assert that there is no Islam to see here. But when there is no criticism, its all the good influence of Islam. It's very developmentally stunted.


You are just inventing a whole bunch of strawmen.

I never said Islam is not front and centre to this conflict - or any conflict in the Middle East. Of course it is. And I was emphasising that fact by pointing out who the secularists are and why the are fighting (ie to rid themselves the scourge of militant Islamism).



"Both the Syrian Arab Army and the YPG are fighting for secular regimes, not Islamic causes. Get it???"

You offered this gem as the gist of your meaning 5 minutes ago.

Now religion is front and centre.




Slippery doesn't even begin to cover your position.  Do you see why Muslims lack credibility? You have more position in a 10 minute argument than the Kama Sutra.





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Reply #524 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
Soren appears to believe that the Assad regime and the YPG are actually Islamic fronts, G.  Not sure why, except to him, anything and everything smacks of Islamophobia, except of course his Homophobia, racism and Xenophobia.  Quite a lot of phobias you've got there, Soren!  Are you aiming for the record book?    Roll Eyes
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