moses wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 3:54pm:


When the last remaining argument supporting your opinion is the effectiveness of western counter terrorism and the under reporting of terrorist incidents in the west then it may be time to pack up your bags and change camps.

When the last remaining argument supporting your opinion is the effectiveness of western counter terrorism and the under reporting of terrorist incidents in the west then it may be time to pack up your bags and change camps.

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I've **set** the discussion to people committing the same type of crime as the three examples I gave, because their spiritual belief or lack of spiritual belief demands they do it.

The people who have murdered their wives, I'd almost be sure they do  not hold a deep held conviction that what they are doing is required of them according to whatever religious / non religious position they hold.

I would say it would be a crime of passion, hatred, jealousy, insurance fraud, drug induced, whatever.

In the barbaric, twisted logic of the Islamic State these youngsters are worth $165, while teenage girls can be bought for $124 — and it’s even less for women over 20.

The price list for captured women and children is being circulated by IS and is being used by the evil group’s own fighters as well as rich from the Middle East.

Despite the various “prices” the actual amount paid usually much more because outsiders are allowed to bid for the individuals, with the money exchanged sometimes being thousands of dollars.

That’s after IS hierarchy takes their pick, with the remainder are then offered at the listed prices to the rest of IS.


The list first emerged eight months ago but there was uncertainty over whether it was genuine or not. Until now that is.

A senior United Nations official, Zainab Bangura, was given a copy of a pamphlet which included the list, when she was in Iraq in April.

Now she is able to say the list is accurate.

“The girls get peddled like barrels of petrol. One girl can be sold and bought by five or six different men. Sometimes these fighters sell the girls back to their families for thousands of dollars of ransom,” she told Bloomberg.

Ms Bangura, who is the UN special envoy on sexual violence in conflict and also served in the government of Sierra Leone warned against treating IS as an ordinary rebel group because they were a combination of a “conventional military and a well-run organised state.”

The pamphlet isn’t the first time IS has spoken about its use of female slaves. Last year IS distributed a pamphlet on female slaves — and how they were treated — and tried to justify that and other crimes, including rape, using the Koran, the Independent reported.

In addition, they released a sickening list of how to punish female sex slaves, including by rape.

They also released a video last year that purportedly showed footage of an Isis slave auction, and featured fighters speaking about what they were prepared to pay for various women.
Originally published as IS puts a price on child slaves

moses wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 3:57pm:


I think I've found it now - its in your reply# 459. In this post you literally define the "most heinous" category to all and any religious (read: Islamic) murders.

The problem with this should be obvious. A muslim who considers it his religious duty to kill Syrian soldiers widely perceived to be responsible for extensive massacres of Syrian civilians, shouldn't be in the same category as muslims who consider it their religious duty to blow up innocent civilians. Nor should it be automatically considered somehow worse than the non-religious serial rapist/murderer - just because this rapist/murderer is not religious.

The reason I make this point is because you specifically used the example of Khaled Sharouf - whose notoriety lies with his posing with the severed heads of Syrian soldiers.   It was a bad example IMO to cite someone whose only known crime was to kill and mutilate the bodies of enemy combatants.

So, sorry moses, you'll have to come up with better criteria. Simply making such a broad stroke and saying that all Islamic-inspired killings are the worst of the worst - is absurdly simplistic. Islamic inspired killings range from 9/11 to the mujahideen ousting the Russian invaders in Afghanistan (you know, the guys we were cheering). It should be obvious that they don't all fit into the same category.

A FATHER has been arrested after allegedly letting his daughter drown because he didn’t want her being touched by strangers and dishonoured by them. 
 
The 20-year-old woman had gone to a Dubai beach for a picnic with her family when she got into difficulty in the water and screamed for help.

Deputy Director of Dubai Police’s Search and Rescue Department Ahmed Burqibah said the woman’s father hampered the rescue effort.

“This is one of the incidents which I cannot forget, it shocked me,” Lt Colonel Burqibah told Emirates 24/7.

“Two rescue men were at the beach, and they rushed to help the girl. However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her.


“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”

The man, a Dubai expat, physically stopped the nearby lifeguards from reaching his daughter.

“The father was a tall and strong man. He started pulling and preventing the rescue men and got violent with them. He told them that he prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man.”

By the time lifeguards got to her, it was too late.

“She died unfortunately, at a time when she had a chance to live, especially that the rescue men were so close to her to pull her out of the water.”

The man, who has not been identified, was arrested by Dubai police and will be charged over the incident.
Originally published as ‘She’s better off dead than touched by a stranger’ [/ [quote]

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:


Not really. The Syrian regime is staunchly irreligious and their army is largely irreligious. Certainly the Islamists who fight them are in no doubt about how irreligious they are.

On the other side of the fence, ISIS is fighting another largely irreligious force - the Kurds.

The kuffar/non-kuffar dynamic absolutely *IS* front and central to this war.