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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36389 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #420 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:33am Big Donger wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:31am: Not exactly, Mother. They’re the tinted races. White man’s burden, innit. Carpetbomb them. Say that, and the old boy will agree. But i don't want the old boy to agree with me. He's a damn Scando.
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Reply #421 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:37am

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:30pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

For the same reasons we all murder each other. we are all human and murder is like top 5 things we are good at Cry

Islam has nuffin' to do with Muslim murdering each other.
And Islam is certainly not offering any improvement for humanity by your very own reckoning.

So much for final and unalterable revelation from God. What use if I-Slam if it is no use at all?

If you condemn the totality of a religion because not all followers follow all tenants you must condemn all religions. i look forward to debating you on a christianity exposed thread Grin

Islam = submit
Christianity - love
Judaism = observe the law
Buddhism - give up
Hinduism = ??

The question is - can you live up to these tenets.

Living up to submission - easy. Don't think, do it our way.
Love - hard
Law - hard
Resignation - hard

Now now, old boy, there’s no need to put your artwork up here. We’re British.

Besides, you gave up faecal-painting when Mormor told you off, remember?

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Reply #422 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:40am

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:33am:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 1:31am:

Not exactly, Mother. They’re the tinted races. White man’s burden, innit.

Carpetbomb them.

Say that, and the old boy will agree.

But i don't want the old boy to agree with me.

He's a damn Scando.

Then you’ve given him the perfect post. White man’s burden, the soft bigotry of low expectations, correlation not causation. The old boy will say all that and more.

Post number 3, I believe.

But who’s counting?

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Reply #424 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:37am

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:10am:

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it. Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody deeds.

Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?

The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.

In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently. It represents very much as a religion of peace.

The reason we have extremists in this country is as a response to foreign policy .. which even you, surely, must admit leaves much to be desired. Couple that with an aggressive media and an overall condemnation publicly of all things Islam then you are going to get some shirty, disenfranchised people.

The root of the problem is not Islam. Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia.

You are looking for the wrong common denominator. Simple logic tells you that. What is the difference between countries that are troubled and countries that aren't?

It isn't Islam.

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..........In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently........

I disagree.
In 100% islamic countries there are no battles against us infidels.
Because there are none there.
there are hand chopped off and public beheadings for various crimes.

in every other country islam causes problems.

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Reply #425 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:49am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Own goal!

Of course it's the 'ultimate freedom'!

Pretending to be a big baby as a mindless automaton of Islam's directives - and this absolves one of any personal responsibility from a religious perspective.

The Nazi's pleaded the same thing at the Nuremberg Trials: "Nicht schuldig!" - 'Not Guilty' of personal responsibility for crimes committed because they were only following orders ... Their actions had been sponsored and sanctioned by Nazi doctrine.

It's the cowards excuse.

'Submit to Islam' - and behave how the bugger you like - but first make sure you can quote a piece from the Sacred Text of Islam to cover your arse.

Just try being an apostate in some parts of the Islamosphere ... It soon becomes apparent why 'submitting to Islam' provides a wonderful 'freedom' from all sorts of persecution, death-threats, stone-throwing, etc. Damn right there's 'freedom' in submitting to Islam.

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Reply #427 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 8:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:49am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Own goal!

Of course it's the 'ultimate freedom'!

Pretending to be a big baby as a mindless automaton of Islam's directives - and this absolves one of any personal responsibility from a religious perspective.
The Nazi's pleaded the same thing at the Nuremberg Trials: "Nicht schuldig!" - 'Not Guilty' of personal responsibility for crimes committed because they were only following orders ... Their actions had been sponsored and sanctioned by Nazi doctrine.

It's the cowards excuse.

'Submit to Islam' - and behave how the bugger you like - but first make sure you can quote a piece from the Sacred Text of Islam to cover your arse.

Just try being an apostate in some parts of the Islamosphere ... It soon becomes apparent why 'submitting to Islam' provides a wonderful 'freedom' from all sorts of persecution, death-threats, stone-throwing, etc. Damn right there's 'freedom' in submitting to Islam.

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..........Pretending to be a big baby as a mindless automaton of Islam's directives - and this absolves one of any personal responsibility from a religious perspective.............

yes, submit to the whims of a sex addicted war lord .

........or get your head lopped off.

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Reply #428 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:03am

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:10am:

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it. Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody deeds.

Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?

The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.

In peaceful, stable countries, Islam does not present violently. It represents very much as a religion of peace.

The reason we have extremists in this country is as a response to foreign policy .. which even you, surely, must admit leaves much to be desired. Couple that with an aggressive media and an overall condemnation publicly of all things Islam then you are going to get some shirty, disenfranchised people.

The root of the problem is not Islam. Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia.

You are looking for the wrong common denominator. Simple logic tells you that. What is the difference between countries that are troubled and countries that aren't?

It isn't Islam.

Yeah, and neither the Crusades nor the Reformation or the Counter-Reformation or the Thirty Years war had anything to do with Christianity.
The sunni shia schisms since the murder of the early caliphs has nothing to do with Islam. Neither the iranian revolution nor the islamic State have anything to do with islam.

Allahu Akhbaring has nuffin' to do wiv Allah.

It's ALL outside interference.

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Reply #429 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:13am

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:10am:

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 9:51pm:

Do you have an automated script running S?

You should - its a complete waste for you to manually type all your posts.

Address the point - it is made again and again because Muslims like you never engage with it.

You Muslims are killing each other in the name of Islam. Stop pointing fingers at your critics until you sort that out.

That's all there is to it. Don't lecture the rest ogf humanity until you stop murdering each other during your holy month. You have no credibility. All you have is the threat of violence.

Nobody but your Islamic ideology makes you murder each other. Face it, deal with it, fix it. Until you do you are not to be taken at your empty, inconsequential words but at your murderous, all too bloody deeds.

Soren, the answer is really very simple. Now concentrate.

THe Middle East and Africa are in the state they are in because of many centuries of war, largely fueled and financed by outside interests. You with me so far? Agreed?

Like the rest of the world. And not 'largely fuelled and financed by outside interests'. Who were the outsiders that financed the expansion of the Ottoman Empire, say?

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What has happened in the Middle East and Africa is a long term struggle for power. Still with me? Agreed?

yeah, long term internal struggle for power - see sunni shia schism from the day after Mohammed's death.

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So now we have, as a result of outside interference, sectarian violence. Lots of little warlords, using whatever they have at their disposal to rally the troops, are fighting it out. You follow, yes?
The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

How come we have, after 1400 years of peace and harmony, still so many tribal warlords? because the Islam is peace is nonsense . Islam has always been fractious and riven.

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The rallying point for most of these little warlords is religion. They take bits and pieces from their holy book to pimp their agendas and advance their causes.

This violence and disunity isn't BECAUSE of Islam. Islam is USED as a tool, nothing more.

And a very good tool it is indeed., no? Lots of verses to support fight to the death against those you disagree with. n The tribal warlords' ideal tool, what?

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Reply #430 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:34am

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:10am:

................The root of the problem is not Islam. Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia..............

take out islam and islamic terrorism does not exist.

islam is centred in terrorism in sydney, melbourne.
Terrorist plans thwarted in sydney, melbourne, brisbane.
In the last dawn parade the soldiers did not bear arms, due to islam.

islam is a terrorist cult

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Reply #431 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:15am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 8:09am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 7:37am:

... in every other country islam causes problems.

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Do Muslims in the UK have rights not to be persecuted for their religion?

Who perpetuates most anti-Semitic attacks in the UK, Muslims or non-Muslims?

Sensei, your bait is old, flappy and tired. It will not attract any prey. Time for fresh bait! Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #432 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 11:50am

Soren wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

All I can say S is you have a woeful understanding of the word "submission".

Would you believe it if I told you muslims believe Islamic submission is the ultimate freedom?

Yes, in the Orwellian double-speak sense, I am sure they think like that.

How about Muslims looking at Islam NON-ISLAMICALLY and see if it makes sense from a non-submissive perspective?

Can they do that without being killed?

The Danish cartoons and Charlie Hebdo and Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh and etc, etc - any number of murders of apostates and critics says they cannot possibly do it.

You have a massive army of murderous Muslims in reserve who can be whipped into a mindless Islamic frenzy. You may be all sweetness and reason but you are absolutely and completely irrelevant and ineffectual WITHIN YOUR OWN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY. You don't matter in the practical sense.

The crazy Muslims take as much notice of you as they do of me. You are nothing but an ashtray on a motorbike.
Completely useless because completely impractical and ineffectual among your own faith community.

The 'Orwellian sense' is a level of consciousness that is only on the material/temporal level: humans who behave like robots purely out of fear of other humans. There is a whole other level of consciousness that you seem to not even be aware of - or rather if you are, you stubbornly refuse to accept that muslims can enter it: the spiritual level. A level where man is not slave to the whims and desires of man. You are only capable of understanding Islam on the superficial/temporal level - because you yourself are stuck at this level. Its evident in the way you berate women for choosing clothing that doesn't conform to your ideal. And the knuckeheads who proclaim the highest level of religious piety by hacking heads off people who don't conform to their ideal - are just as shallow. And these are the only people you look to when you think of "Islamic submission" - people who are slaves to human whims and desires - just like you. But there is a whole other level that all religions strive for, not just Islam - and it is complete freedom from having your life ruled by other humans (whether by force or desire). The ultimate freedom.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #433 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:22pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 9:34am:

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:10am:

................The root of the problem is not Islam. Islam ticks along quite nicely in many parts of the world. Islam ticks along quite nicely in Australia..............

take out islam and islamic terrorism does not exist.

islam is centred in terrorism in sydney, melbourne.
Terrorist plans thwarted in sydney, melbourne, brisbane.
In the last dawn parade the soldiers did not bear arms, due to islam.

islam is a terrorist cult

But you still wont accept my bet will you Sprint?
You keep jumping up and down about the dangers of terrorism while understanding that it presents no practical threat to anyone in western civilization. I guess you must need some attention !

So hows about that bet?

Anyone killed by an Islamic extremist in the western world vs someone murdered by a random in Australia.

Australia is one of the least violent countries in the world vs 1.5 billion crazy moslems!

If an extreme islamic attack in the west happens first I will shut up and cease attacking you right wing donkey's, If a murder unrelated to extreme islam happens in terra australis then you shut up.

I extend this invitation to Sprint, Yadda, Moses and all the other donkey riders here.

You all claim that Islam presents a threat, I bet you don't have the stones to gamble your collective soap boxes on it.

The bet is valid as soon as anyone from the opposing view accepts it.

Of course , if you wont accept the bet I guess that would imply that you do understand how rare a terrorist incident is. which would raise the question why your so loud about something so unimportant? maybe because you have nothing else to contribute?

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Reply #434 - Jul 31^st, 2015 at 12:45pm

Just a quick look at homicide stats. Can't find anything for the latest year, but there were 430 homicides (is this the same as murder??) in Australia in 2013. Assuming the rate is comparable today - that is well over 1 per day - in which case your bet has in all likelihood already been won. Its likely there were several murders in the few days in Australia alone since you first made the bet - and no terrorist fatalities that I have heard of anywhere in the west.

Not to mention the mostly far larger rates of (non-Islamic) murder rates everywhere else in the west.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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