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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101714	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #345 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 12:54pm Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 10:30am: Sprint is missing a huge opportunity here to fruit up! Fruit them.
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Reply #346 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

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..........the probability that a follower of that religion will murder the follower of another?..............

that's sort of pretty significant really.
And funny you should say that in regard to islam.

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.........I exclude the eastern countries ....

I include eastern countries as they are in the world.

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Reply #347 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 1:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 1:04pm:

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..........the probability that a follower of that religion will murder the follower of another?..............

that's sort of pretty significant really.
And funny you should say that in regard to islam.

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.........I exclude the eastern countries ....

I include eastern countries as they are in the world.

Islam is the religion in question here, i am happy to include any other religions that has a thread relating to their extremist tendencies.

I suspect you would include middle eastern countries because you don't think Moslems represent a significant threat in western countries and are afraid of losing the bet.

I guess that 2 billion people to 25 million people doesn't give you a large enough sample size to detect extreme Islam.

it must a pretty potent force then.

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Reply #348 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 5:28pm

gandalf wrote Reply #308 - Yesterday at 12:44pm:

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They do address it - an incorrect interpretation of Islamic doctrine.

For people who genuinely have this peaceful and tolerant interpretation of Islam, you are literally demanding that they abandon their beliefs.

How do you think that will work out moses? Well we all know the answer - you don't want it to work out. You are not interested in a solution - only forcing yourself into a position where your continued hatred of muslims is guaranteed.

Moses will you at least admit that all your talk about "what muslims must do" is a complete sham - since their is literally nothing that muslims can do in your book without turning themselves into non-muslims?

The excuse of *incorrect interpretation of islam* is a total failure to face the truth.

A direct command to torture and kill people is exactly that: a direct command to torture and kill people.

Crying innocence and self-justification, by irrationally stating *it doesn't really mean what it says* will solve nothing.

It's not my fault that islam engenders muslim terrorism on a global scale. (That's a problem you have to address).

Literary gymnastics and crying misunderstanding and innocence, will not prove anything.

If islam is structured in such a way that you're unable to remove the depravity without destroying the belief, that's a muslim problem (no one else can be blamed).

islam is the psychological foundation for unspeakably inhumane atrocities committed by muslims against their fellow man.

Don't expect decent people to validate the evil in islam.

The fact that you're unable to remove the intrinsic heinousness without destroying islam, is proof positive that islam is utterly evil.

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Reply #349 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 5:29pm

Pho Huc wrote Reply #311 - Yesterday at 1:04pm:
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Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment.
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101

Terror has been used by muslims since the inception of islam.
According to the qur'an and hadi'th.

Your unwillingness to accept islam as a motive for islamic terrorism, is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

muslims around the globe, (women, girls, children, teenagers and men) have all participated in, or fully supported islamic atrocities. All have quoted the belief as their justification.

So you may want to excuse islam, however muslims themselves disagree with you by their words and deeds.

Worldwide there are special islamic terror security forces (state / federal / national), apparently they also disagree with you.

Any muslim or apologist who refuses to decry the motivating islamic doctrine, by definition also refuses to decry the terrorism engendered.

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Reply #350 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:43pm:

Ok, i admit it was called the religion of love when i was taught as a youngster, but splitting hairs surely?

Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap. (The Paki B Vgger will be very interested in knowing you in the Biblical sense, BTW. You are just his kind of guy)

You cannot be taken seriously on any level if you have a limp-wristed waive to the difference between love and submission. You are simply not to be taken seriously because you are either not honest or you are too thick. 'Love your neighbour...' being the same as 'submit to your Islamic neighbour...'??

Are you dishonest or thick, 'Pho'?

PB - is he mendacious or thick? You know these thing better than anyone else.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #351 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:57pm Pho Huc wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 12:52pm: I agree, it is the intent of Islam at question here. You state Islams global intent is jihad and domination, I state it isnt. I however am prepared to put up or shut up. Come on, then?!!!?
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Reply #352 - Jul 24^th, 2015 at 9:08pm

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2015 at 7:43pm:

Ok, i admit it was called the religion of love when i was taught as a youngster, but splitting hairs surely?

Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap. (The Paki B Vgger will be very interested in knowing you in the Biblical sense, BTW. You are just his kind of guy)

You cannot be taken seriously on any level if you have a limp-wristed waive to the difference between love and submission. You are simply not to be taken seriously because you are either not honest or you are too thick. 'Love your neighbour...' being the same as 'submit to your Islamic neighbour...'??

Are you dishonest or thick, 'Pho'?

PB - is he mendacious or thick? You know these thing better than anyone else.

Stupid or mendacious? Thick or tendentious?

Good questions, old boy. What do you call someone who gets submission to the Absolute mixed up with submission to your Islamic neighbour?

I’d say mendacious. We’re fortunate enough, you see, to have learned to read - unlike many of those Taliban types who believe the same.

If you ask me, they’re the thick ones. You’re the one with the computer rather than the AK.

What does that make you, dear boy?

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Reply #353 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 9:04am

moses wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote Reply #311 - Yesterday at 1:04pm:
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Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment.
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101

Terror has been used by muslims since the inception of islam.
According to the qur'an and hadi'th.

Your unwillingness to accept islam as a motive for islamic terrorism, is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

muslims around the globe, (women, girls, children, teenagers and men) have all participated in, or fully supported islamic atrocities. All have quoted the belief as their justification.

So you may want to excuse islam, however muslims themselves disagree with you by their words and deeds.

Worldwide there are special islamic terror security forces (state / federal / national), apparently they also disagree with you.

Any muslim or apologist who refuses to decry the motivating islamic doctrine, by definition also refuses to decry the terrorism engendered.

answer away phu.

I've pretty much given up on talking to you .

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #354 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 10:50am Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:25pm: Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap. Kinda like you asserting that the Quran is a nonsensical book of contradictions - only to reveal straight after that you've never actually read it.
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Reply #355 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

moses wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 5:29pm:

Pho Huc wrote Reply #311 - Yesterday at 1:04pm:
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Its true, my entire position may be based on a error of logic-If so it should be possible to demonstrate this using logic.

I guess my biggest problem with creating a direct causal link between Islam and Terrorism/Extremist Islam is the long time that Islam has been in existence and the short time frame that Islamic Terrorism has been an issue.
While Moslem have commited terrible acts in the past this is true of all major religions.
For me to logically link Islamism to Terrorism I would need to see evidence that a majority of Moslem's in all countries
participated/supported such actions. That is the only quantitative way to make such an assessment.
As soon as such actions are not supported/committed by the majority I must conclude Islam is not inherently a religion of conflict. This is logic 101

Terror has been used by muslims since the inception of islam.
According to the qur'an and hadi'th.

Your unwillingness to accept islam as a motive for islamic terrorism, is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

muslims around the globe, (women, girls, children, teenagers and men) have all participated in, or fully supported islamic atrocities. All have quoted the belief as their justification.

So you may want to excuse islam, however muslims themselves disagree with you by their words and deeds.

Worldwide there are special islamic terror security forces (state / federal / national), apparently they also disagree with you.

Any muslim or apologist who refuses to decry the motivating islamic doctrine, by definition also refuses to decry the terrorism engendered.

answer away phu.

I've pretty much given up on talking to you .

You do that with most, Sprint.

Ban them.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41436 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #356 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 6:12pm Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
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Reply #357 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Thank you for owning up to being full of baseless, tendetious crap.

Kinda like you asserting that the Quran is a nonsensical book of contradictions - only to reveal straight after that you've never actually read it.

Most Muslims haven't read it either. It is unreadable. I have tried.
No wonder they give prizes to people who memorised it all - it takes a superhuman effort of mindless, pointless tenacity.
Half of it is the result of paroxysms, the other half is pretend-seizures to further Mohammed's political and social fortunes. It is Ali Baba fantasy stuff, except nowhere near as well written or expressed as the 1001 Nights.

My central argument against you, Gandy, is that you cannot possibly be sane and functional AND take all this stuff seriously. You are like the guys who think that Jesus is actually sitting on the right hand side of god's throne. The Koran is nothing but that kind of literalist BS.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #358 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:08pm Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:02pm: My central argument against you, Gandy, is that you cannot possibly be sane and functional AND take all this stuff seriously. Yes S - I am a liar, you've already established that.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41436 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #359 - Jul 25^th, 2015 at 7:39pm muslims observe ramadan
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