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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41436 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #285 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:22pm How many islamic terror attacks would have happened had moh never been born ?
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Reply #286 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:24pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.

Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long.

But if you pulled your heads out of your arses and looked around you would realise it doesn't matter what you apologist clowns decree which interpretations are correct or not.

Other muslims do not agree, and have demonstrated that they can find ample justifications within the koran and the faith to visit murder, mayhem and atrocities on other muslims and unbelievers.

But don't let reality interrupt your earnest discussions and learned debate. Roll Eyes

hi secret - I thought your entire posting should be used, instead of the lying edited one used in the typical islamic style.

I hate islam

still waiting for a constructive statement from the opposed.

Why do you feel compelled to use such emotive language? are you unable to compile enough quantifiable information to support your position and thus are reduced to personal attacks and deflection?

We never asked you to quote the Quran, not until you made a regarding its contents. we have repeatedly asked you back up your assertion and you have failed. thus im proceding to a new point.

Will hating Islam improve the life on non-islamists?

go, its a nice wide open question, lots of space to run. please don't let me down with more reposts and insults-i have faith in my fellow man

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Reply #287 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:34pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:22pm:

How many islamic terror attacks would have happened had moh never been born ?

none. your point?

are you claiming to understand all potential possibilities for what would have occurred over the past 1500 years if you changed one major thing?

Here is your homework-
Watch back to future. learn about causality, come back here and delete your post. It sounds witty but your flippantly proposing messing with the course of human social evolution.
No-one can know what would happen now if you changed the past, nor whether the present would be better or worse.

so, again how does it improve the lot of Non-islamist's hating Islam?

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Reply #288 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:09pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:34pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:22pm:

How many islamic terror attacks would have happened had moh never been born ?

none. your point?

are you claiming to understand all potential possibilities for what would have occurred over the past 1500 years if you changed one major thing?

Here is your homework-
Watch back to future. learn about causality, come back here and delete your post. It sounds witty but your flippantly proposing messing with the course of human social evolution.
No-one can know what would happen now if you changed the past, nor whether the present would be better or worse.

so, again how does it improve the lot of Non-islamist's hating Islam?

Good on you Pho. Well answered.

None.

If there had been no Moh, there would have been no islamic terrorism.

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #289 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:23pm I see you appreciate a direct answer to your questions. If your capable of returning the gesture and responding to my previous query regarding the benefits to non-moslems in a hating of Islam it would appreciated. Im sure you have pragmatic reason for all the hatred that you espouse. what is it?
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Reply #290 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:46pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:23pm:

I see you appreciate a direct answer to your questions. If your capable of returning the gesture and responding to my previous query regarding the benefits to non-moslems in a hating of Islam it would appreciated.

Im sure you have pragmatic reason for all the hatred that you espouse.

what is it?

I believe islam is a fraudulent oppressive cult.
It offers no freedom or spirituality.
It's almost the opposite of what the Bible stands for.

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Reply #291 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:51pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 1:22pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:38am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:58am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 4:33pm:

4:95 - refers to Mujahideen - which are literally people who perform jihad (both from the root word "j-h-d" - meaning to strive). The Quran mentions jihad many times, and never is described in terms of physical fighting or killing. It is described in terms of devoting your self and your wealth to the cause of Islam. This could be anything from charities, to building mosques to performing pilgramage, humanitarian aid etc etc. Interestingly, the so called 'war verse' (2:216) doesn't use any words derived from jhd, instead uses the more literal word for physical fight (from the root word "q-t-l"). Pick up any arab newspaper and any mention of fighting or war in a violent, military sense will be using words derived from this q-t-l root.

In short, there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that mujahideen in the Quran refer to people engaging in military and/or physical acts of violence - especially not in 4:95

You go tell them.

Tell them.

Im confused, are Sprint and Karnal stating that no other moslems are aware of the meaning of mujahideen and that it is gandalfs responsibility to inform them?

No no, it’s Gandalf’s responsibility to inform them of the evils of Islam and join Sprint’s campaign to ban them and hate them.

We all know they can’t be told. They must be banned and hated.

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Reply #292 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:56pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:29pm:

Since the threads sub topic was regarding the existence of countless verses in the Quran supporting violent jihad, of which one has been provided and subsequently rebutted please provide more verse's in support of terrorism or cede the point and move the debate along.

Apologist clowns can earnestly debate the Koran and decide for themselves that nothing in there supports terrorism or islamic inspired atrocities and rebut all day long.

But if you pulled your heads out of your arses and looked around you would realise it doesn't matter what you apologist clowns decree which interpretations are correct or not.

Other muslims do not agree, and have demonstrated that they can find ample justifications within the koran and the faith to visit murder, mayhem and atrocities on other muslims and unbelievers.

But don't let reality interrupt your earnest discussions and learned debate. Roll Eyes

hi secret - I thought your entire posting should be used, instead of the lying edited one used in the typical islamic style.

I hate islam

Jesus saves.

Hate them.

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Reply #293 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'

I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning.
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.

How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #294 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:06pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 6:46pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 4:23pm:

I see you appreciate a direct answer to your questions. If your capable of returning the gesture and responding to my previous query regarding the benefits to non-moslems in a hating of Islam it would appreciated.

Im sure you have pragmatic reason for all the hatred that you espouse.

what is it?

I believe islam is a fraudulent oppressive cult.
It offers no freedom or spirituality.
It's almost the opposite of what the Bible stands for.

I respect your right to all these beliefs, even if i dispute the reasoning behind them.

Why do you choose to hate them though? what benefit does it bring to you.

I choose to love because it enables me to accept other people regardless of race or orientation. The world is a better place when you are surrounded by people you love than when surrounded by people you hate. I perceive my attitude as making the world a better place, if only for me and from my perspective. Thats why I have my position.

So why do you choose hate?

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Reply #295 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'

I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning.
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.

How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.

This.

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Reply #296 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'

I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning.
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.

How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.

what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?

the muzzies in aussie have no idea and won't even have dinner with the coppers .

I hate islam

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Reply #297 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:

what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?

How about promote a more tolerant and peaceful version of Islam, and not have our message undermined at every step by people like you and moses who insist that we are liars?

You insist that we have to stop the terrorists - yet when we try and do just that, we get howled down for perpetuating a "false" version of Islam.

Its as if you really want us all to be radicals.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #298 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:47pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'

I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning.
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.

How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.

what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?

First, id start by attempting to deradicalize the more extreme members of both the Islamic community and the Australian public(the methods for doing this are a whole different debate).

Second, (while it goes against my personal beliefs) would be to apply a media blackout to all terrorist activities. Terrorist actions are basically PR stunts, and denying them media coverage negates their usefulness.

Third, Education and integration(again a different debate)

Thats what I would do.

And you still have not answered my question.

why do you choose to hate? what does it gain you?

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Reply #299 - Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 8:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gandalf is saying some terrorists have the wrong meaning of the koran.
So their actions are 'in error.'

I suggest he tells the terrorists the correct meaning.
It's pointless to tell me, telling me will not change their actions.

How about your actions sprint? You have publicly called for mosques to be randomly burned down, you call for Islam to be banned and muslims deported en mass every second post. Its not a stretch to say that you support the mass persecution and even terrorism against innocent muslims. Non-muslims in Australia represent around 98% of the population - if your incitement could influence even a tiny fraction of that population, that still presents a significant threat to the muslim community. And since your incitement is fueled in no small part by the lies perpetuated by self-styled Quranic experts like moses, I think its pretty darned important to tell you and your ilk.

what ideas do you have to stop islamics from murdering coffee drinkers in Sydney, stabbing police in Victoria, wedding off 9 year old girl to some 35 year old, plotting a terrorist attack on an AFL game ?

First, id start by attempting to deradicalize the more extreme members of both the Islamic community and the Australian public(the methods for doing this are a whole different debate).

Second, (while it goes against my personal beliefs) would be to apply a media blackout to all terrorist activities. Terrorist actions are basically PR stunts, and denying them media coverage negates their usefulness.

Third, Education and integration(again a different debate)

Thats what I would do.

And you still have not answered my question.

why do you choose to hate? what does it gain you?

Sprint doesn’t answer questions like that, Pho. He’s too modest.

Sprint is a born-again Christian. It’s his religion to hate.

You know, like the Muselman.

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