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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41433 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #240 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:16am Pho Huc - I have no interest in sarcastic comments.
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Big Donger Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101713	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #241 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:26am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:16am: Pho Huc - I have no interest in sarcastic comments. Ban them.
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Reply #242 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 10:41am

I have made no sarcastic comments.
I assume(because you have not clarified) that you are talking about my interpretation of your stance in this debate?

If so, let me assure you that i am not being sarcastic. That is 100% my interpretation of your point of view.
Do you have a problem with any of my interpretations? If so, please explain where i have been mistaken.

cheers!

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Reply #243 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 11:24am

Sprint is evolving his evasions.

He knows he can't simply ignore you because he will have to face up to his own charge that question-dodgers are muslims.

So he now makes sure there is a response to a question - but ensures he doesn't have to actually answer it. Expect all sorts of creative excuses to avoid answering your questions.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #244 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:37pm

gandalf wrote: Reply #232 - Yesterday at 5:29pm
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You accept the doctrine which motivates depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered.

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No I don't.

Thats a pretty fundamental fallacy you are making. See if you can understand why its a fallacy - it may hold the key to getting you out of this silly rut you put yourself in.

terrorism noun: The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

islamic terrorism = religious terrorism based on islamic ideology.

The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically, by the many commands, teachings and verses which urge torture and mass murder as the righteous path for muslims to make them a grade higher than other muslims.

Giving credence to the said tenets, by definition, gives credence to the actual atrocities.

This view, which is a logical conclusion to draw from the said terrorism and doctrine, is rapidly sweeping around the globe, people are sick and tired of the lies and violence, that islam perpetuates.

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Reply #245 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:47pm

moses wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:37pm:

gandalf wrote: Reply #232 - Yesterday at 5:29pm
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You accept the doctrine which motivates depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered.

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No I don't.

Thats a pretty fundamental fallacy you are making. See if you can understand why its a fallacy - it may hold the key to getting you out of this silly rut you put yourself in.

The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically, by the many commands, teachings and verses which urge torture and mass murder as the righteous path for muslims to make them a grade higher than other muslims.

Not a bad post Moses, at least you are kinda rewriting your argument as opposed to just repeating it, and i appreciate that.

I did get a bit confused by the emotional and physical bondage to religious dogma connection, could you possible expand/clarify that particular point for my edification?

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Reply #246 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:51pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?

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At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian border

I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult

Your legendary ability with debate and reason leaves me defenseless in the face of your brilliantly reasoned and worded argument.

Are you saying that Moslem's are inseparable from ISIS members?

Please Sprint, avail me of your encyclopedic knowledge of the Quran and Islamic culture to inform me how ISIS obeys the Islamic tenants while murdering other Muslims?

Its obviously a coincidence that ISIS support it split along Shiite/sunni tribal lines, and that most of their violence is directed at other Moslems.

It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.

Please correct me if i misinterpreted your position, this is what i think you are saying:

Islam is inherently evil.
It clearly demands that people commit atrocities to fulfill its islamic tenants.
Moslems all have this violent interpretation of Islam. If they say they do not they are either lying or bad Moslems.

did i miss or confuse any of your points?

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............Your legendary ability with debate and reason leaves me defenseless in the face of your brilliantly reasoned and worded argument......

if that were the case, you would not have said another word.

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Reply #247 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:03pm

Ok, I admit i may have exaggerated your strength in reasoned argument,
But sarcasm? thems fighting words ! Wink

Any chance you could answer one of the multiple salient on topic questions I posted then instead of focusing on a single tongue in cheek irrelevant statement?

Especially when you first post indicated a lack of interest in such a statement.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41433 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #248 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:12pm Quote: ..........It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data......... I am not interested in sarcasm.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #249 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:24pm see what I mean pho?
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Reply #250 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:29pm

moses wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 12:37pm:

Giving credence to the said tenets, by definition, gives credence to the actual atrocities.

Only if your assumption about me accepting the same interpretation of said tenets as you is true - which it is not. But I feel I've laboured this point to death already - oh yeah, thats because I have.

Have you ever heard of a logical fallacy moses?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #251 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:41pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:12pm:

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..........It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.........

I am not interested in sarcasm.

For someone who has no interest in sarcasm you do seem to fixate on it.

Maybe because its easier to divert attention away from my questions than it is to answer them?

I have never heard you, Yadda Sprint or anyone else in the gang acknowledge that extreme Islamist's may be influenced by anything other than your personal interpretation of islam. (I say your personal interpretation because none of you have ever admitted to having any actual personal experience with Moslems, other than Gandalf who you call a liar because he disagrees with your point of view) Huh

You never reference social pressures, political climates or ethnic divisions.

Your focus on this issue is myopic and ignores so many parts of the complex causal issues related to this subject that it detracts from your ability to create a reasoned balanced line of reason.

but rather than change topic, can someone in the other camp please confirm or address your points of view previously listed.

Please correct me if i misinterpreted your position, this is what i think you are saying:

Islam is inherently evil.
It clearly demands that people commit atrocities to fulfill its islamic tenants.
Moslems all have this violent interpretation of Islam. If they say they do not they are either lying or bad Moslems.

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Reply #252 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:56pm

Pho Huc wrote: Quote:

I did get a bit confused by the emotional and physical bondage to religious dogma connection, could you possible expand/clarify that particular point for my edification?

i don't think i can make it any plainer: The muslim's terrorism and ideology is inextricably bonded emotionally and physically,

islamic terrorism, islamic ideology: one and the same, bonded emotionally and physically, inextricably linked, you get the drift I'm sure.

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Reply #253 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:57pm

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Only if your assumption about me accepting the same interpretation of said tenets as you is true - which it is not. But I feel I've laboured this point to death already - oh yeah, thats because I have.

Have you ever heard of a logical fallacy moses?

Or in other words, "it doesn't really mean what it says"

Well, your excuse is no longer accepted around the globe .

The actions of muslims world wide refute your claims.

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Reply #254 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 1:59pm

I think they are a fair summary of his beliefs pho. In the case of moses you could probably remove "...or bad muslims" -we're all just liars.

But one thing is for sure - sprint, moses et al are absolutely determined to ensure that muslims who advocate peace and condemn terrorism are prevented from making a positive contribution to this debate.

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