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Reply #225 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:11pm

Big Donger wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?

As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.

You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????

You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.

If i was a political leader(particularly a unpopular leader) I wouldn't be unhappy if a terrorist incident occurred in my country.
It gives you a great opportunity to demonstrate how tough you are on national security.
It also allows you to accuse any who oppose you of supporting the terrorists.
I don't think T Abbott would orchestrate such an action, but the political climate that has existed post 9/11 has given a tremendous advantage to those who are prepared to use such tools as a means of leveraging their own personal political ambitions.
Scared people don't ask intelligent questions.

p.s The parliamentary investigation concluded that while they did plan the attack, procure the device and place it in the bin they were not responsible for the attack.
Responsibility for the attack was allocated to a copy of the Quran, which was located only 35km away from the office where the attack was planned.
It was felt the without the nefarious influence of the Quran they bombing would never have happened, only a garden tea party as originally intended by the perpetrators.

The Hilton Bombing? There were no Qurans involved in that one, Pho.

Scared people mightn't ask questions, but they can get quite snippy when you tell them porkies. The Spanish Prime Minister was voted out after the Madrid bombing for suggesting that the attack was done by Basque separatists.

It's hard to imagine a low-level lie like this ensnaring T Abbott.

Sorry Karnal, I know that no mention of the Quran was made in the inquest, just saving the Extremists some time by explaining to everyone how it was the Qurans fault anyway. Grin

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #226 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

moses wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Your earlier posts all come under the heading of *worn out excuses*.

Not one of you has the balls to call islam and muslims to account for their islamic atrocities.

It's a never ending cry of, Oh OH here it is again:

it's got nuffin to wiv islam.

it doesn't really mean what it says.

islam's a religion of peace

Stand up and be counted Karnal.

We also present reasoned arguments supported by quantitative analysis of historical events and social trends. You just don't understand them.
If I am not involved in a thread I generally side with the opinion that doesn't rely on quoting religious texts to support their argument.
(I admit I have been guilty of this in the past, its just so hard to resists needling Yadda \)

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #227 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

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Can you please direct me to the post where someone not in the extreme-anti-extremist school has stating that rape, torture, terrorism or mass murder is acceptable?
Can you please show me a post that demonstrates our acceptance of any of these actions?
We all agree these things are wrong. We just believe that it is a personal choice of the perpetrator, not a religious compulsion.

None of the posts I have read condone any of these actions(other than the posts stating that a terrorist attack would be a good thing-which have all been posted by the extreme-anti-extremists)

The point that us moderates?(extreme-antiextremist-antiextremists?) have been making is that Islam is not fundamentally linked with terrorism.
Terrorism has indisputably flourished in many places that had no relationship to Islam.
Northern Ireland, parts of Africa and Papua New Guinea have all experienced mass killings, torture and systematic rape perpetrated by groups which had zero relationship with any branch of Islam or its followers.

You just answered your own question.

You simply lack what it takes to hold islam / muslims accountable for the doctrinal commands, teachings and verses which breed and feed islamic atrocities.

You run off on any other tangent you can, in order to divert attention away from the perpetual heinousness muslims commit in order to conform with islamic tenets.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #228 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:48pm

Moses its possible you could provide the most convincing argument possible that Islamic doctrine is code for gratuitous barbarity - but you are never going to prove that that muslims themselves who don't partake in this barbarity believe in it. Especially when they specifically argue the exact opposite.

Your argument really is no more than this: "anyone who doesn't accept my interpretation of Islamic text is a liar and/or apologist for mass murder."

Is it possible at all for you to look at that argument of yours with objective eyes and understand how absurd it is?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #229 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

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Moses its possible you could provide the most convincing argument possible that Islamic doctrine is code for gratuitous barbarity - but you are never going to prove that that muslims themselves who don't partake in this barbarity believe in it. Especially when they specifically argue the exact opposite.

You accept the doctrine which motivates depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered.

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Reply #230 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

moses wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:45pm:

Not one of you has the balls to call islam and muslims to account for their islamic atrocities.

Your courage in using the internet to anonymously blame a religious minority for all the evil in the world is to be commended.

I guess what I lack is the ability to hang on to point of view regardless of presented evidence disproving me opinion. I guess that would be my proudest shortcoming then!

Its true I don't hold all Moslems accountable for practicing a religion which has interpretations i personally disagree with.
Ive seen the way people have interpreted the bible now and in the past, and the reprehensible actions that have followed.

I Don't blame Christianity or the bible, I blame those who perpetrated the actions, I blame those who enable such an interpretation to become widespread.
People who disseminate interpretations of any religious doctrine in way which encourages violent behavior should be debated and silenced by reason, and all people should attempt to maintain a society that encourages such reasoning.
Freedom of speech and opinion are the bed rock of such a society, and cannot be removed without damaging the fabric of a society.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #231 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:17pm More tangents to avoid the one unalterable fact: muslim fundamentalists commit the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man, because islamic doctrine demands it.
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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #232 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:29pm

moses wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Gandalf wrote: Quote:

Moses its possible you could provide the most convincing argument possible that Islamic doctrine is code for gratuitous barbarity - but you are never going to prove that that muslims themselves who don't partake in this barbarity believe in it. Especially when they specifically argue the exact opposite.

You accept the doctrine which motivates depraved inhumanities, you accept the depraved inhumanities that have been engendered.

No I don't.

Thats a pretty fundamental fallacy you are making. See if you can understand why its a fallacy - it may hold the key to getting you out of this silly rut you put yourself in.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #233 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:47pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 3:12pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:56pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:54pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?

As strange as it may seem, Sprint, what this country needs is a successful attack on Australian soil to shut the idiots up and let decent white people take control of our Freeeedom.

You would honestly be happier with people being killed if it helped support an argument you are making in a online forum.
and you say that Moslems are the people I should be scared off????

You've got it, Pho. Sprint honestly would be happier with people being killed in the name of terrorism. Many posters here would.

Remember, in the late 1990s, Putin made the invasion of Chechnya possible by having the Russian secret police detonate bombs in Moscow apartment blocks. Hundreds of Russians were killed in what was the prelude to the War On Terror.

I've never agreed that Sept 11 was an inside job, but the case of Putin shows how far the knuckleheads will go to prove a point. In Putin's case, he was happy to bomb his own civilians.

I doubt Sprint would go as far as placing the bomb himself, but his desire for this to happen echoes a number of posters here. Longy also calls for terrorist attacks, in his words, "to shut the idiots up". The chorus has been getting louder of late, backing the government's security agenda. People want the terror threat raised. Whenever it gets classified as high, they love it. Terrorism has become the new Circus Maximus. If there ever is a terrorist attack, they'll be cheering.

The only successful terrorist bombing in Australia, the Sydney Hilton Bombing, was implemented by the Special Branch of the NSW police. Unlike Putin's bombings, the Hilton bomb was not meant to go off, but be "discovered" by police at the scene. The police didn't plan for a garbage run that night, so the bomb killed a garbage collector and seriously injured a cop. The motive for the Hilton Bombing is still unclear, but the Special Branch had a track record of wanting to "shut the idiots up".

In the end, the Hilton Bombing backfired. The Special Branch was disbanded after a parliamentary investigation.

In Putin's case, it won him his presidency. The Moscow bombings, however, never went away. The role of the secret police was uncovered on Moscow TV. As the ex-director of the secret police, Putin has always been implicated. His attempts at a cover-up are on the record.

Could it happen here? I doubt it. But if it does, I'd be looking closely at those with the most to gain.

If i was a political leader(particularly a unpopular leader) I wouldn't be unhappy if a terrorist incident occurred in my country.
It gives you a great opportunity to demonstrate how tough you are on national security.
It also allows you to accuse any who oppose you of supporting the terrorists.
I don't think T Abbott would orchestrate such an action, but the political climate that has existed post 9/11 has given a tremendous advantage to those who are prepared to use such tools as a means of leveraging their own personal political ambitions.
Scared people don't ask intelligent questions.

p.s The parliamentary investigation concluded that while they did plan the attack, procure the device and place it in the bin they were not responsible for the attack.
Responsibility for the attack was allocated to a copy of the Quran, which was located only 35km away from the office where the attack was planned.
It was felt the without the nefarious influence of the Quran they bombing would never have happened, only a garden tea party as originally intended by the perpetrators.

The Hilton Bombing? There were no Qurans involved in that one, Pho.

Scared people mightn't ask questions, but they can get quite snippy when you tell them porkies. The Spanish Prime Minister was voted out after the Madrid bombing for suggesting that the attack was done by Basque separatists.

It's hard to imagine a low-level lie like this ensnaring T Abbott.

Sorry Karnal, I know that no mention of the Quran was made in the inquest, just saving the Extremists some time by explaining to everyone how it was the Qurans fault anyway. Grin

Oh, don’t worry about that, Pho. The old boy already suggested the Ananda Marga was a Muslim terror cell.

I couldn’t get Tim Anderson’s innocence through to him, never mind the fact that Ananda Marga was an Indian meditation group.

He also confused Justice Armenians for the Turkish Genocide who bombed the Turkish Consulate carpark with a Kurdish Muslim terrorist group. It’s an easy mistake to make.

Your suggestion is completely above board. Any mention otherwise is known here as spineless apologism.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #234 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

moses wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

More tangents to avoid the one unalterable fact: muslim fundamentalists commit the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man, because islamic doctrine demands it.

And Christians don't? Religion justifies the unjustifiable, Moses. Doesn't matter if it's Muslims or Christians or Buddhists or Hindus. It can also be used to justify the most wondrous things. Your problem is that your religion blinds you to anything like that in any other religion. Roll Eyes

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Reply #235 - Jul 20^th, 2015 at 11:40pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

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........The school where they teach execution

THEY use soft drink and lollies to turn boys into killers and suicide bombers, teaching them to behead dolls as practice for the real thing. Go inside an ISIS school........

yesterdays Islamic contribution to the globe

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Reply #237 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?

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At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian border

I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #238 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:46am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?

Quote:

At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian border

I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult

Kill them.

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Reply #239 - Jul 21^st, 2015 at 9:44am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2015 at 11:19pm:

14 pages of mass murders and apologetics and diverters are still lying.

What is the bet an Islamic mass murder happens within a month ?

Quote:

At least 30 die in twin ISIS attacks

At least 30 people have been killed in suicide attacks in a towns on either side of the Turkish-Syrian border

I win.

islam murders more.

islam is a cult

Your legendary ability with debate and reason leaves me defenseless in the face of your brilliantly reasoned and worded argument.

Are you saying that Moslem's are inseparable from ISIS members?

Please Sprint, avail me of your encyclopedic knowledge of the Quran and Islamic culture to inform me how ISIS obeys the Islamic tenants while murdering other Muslims?

Its obviously a coincidence that ISIS support it split along Shiite/sunni tribal lines, and that most of their violence is directed at other Moslems.

It easy to be right if you ignore all evidence to the contrary, oversimplify they complex and maintain your opinion in the face off all available data.

Please correct me if i misinterpreted your position, this is what i think you are saying:

Islam is inherently evil.
It clearly demands that people commit atrocities to fulfill its islamic tenants.
Moslems all have this violent interpretation of Islam. If they say they do not they are either lying or bad Moslems.

did i miss or confuse any of your points?

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