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Reply #180 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 12:08pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

I don't think I have any really fresh insights, in the words of Yaddas favorite penpal "there is nothing new under the sun"

It seem obvious to me that not all murderous homicidal bastards are muslims.
And not all muslims are murderous homicidal bastards.
So maybe, just maybe, acts of murder and barbarity can exist without the influence of Islam.

I accept that the Quran can be(and is) interpreted in ways which support actions unconscionable to the vast majority(which includes muslims). I reject and Condemn those who participate in or organize such actions.
I refuse to demonize any segment of our community on the actions of small minority because i believe it to be counter productive.

If I hate Muslims I am going to be a dick to Muslims. That will make them hate me. Then they will be dicks to me. and so on
The only way to improve things is to try and love and accept them. Its not easy and goes against most of our innate psychological drivers.
Even at the cost of seeming weak surrender weakens the enemy when the enemy relies on conflict for survival.

Im sure someone has said it better than me before though.

No, Pho, you said it well. That’s the position of the wise man.

Expect a few long posts from Yadda in reply. And expect FD to chase you around for a few months. With any luck, he’ll post your bit about loving Muslims into its own thread.

Believe it or not, FD once said exactly what you’ve said. Many times.

FD hasn’t been the same since the accident.

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Reply #181 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 1:22pm

Pho Huc wrote: Quote:

you state that islam preaches jihad as its highest path. you base this upon your personal interpretation of islamic dogma as well the extremist interpretations. you willfully ignore the interpretations of the majority of muslims by avoidance and obfuscation.

Can you tell us how the jihadists misinterpret the following?

qur'an 4.95:Not equalare those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled[] - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

qur'an 4.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward

qur'an 9.20: Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's cause are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

qur'an 61.11: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

All of the above teach that killing is the duty of muslims, those who die while carrying out this islamic slaughter will definitely enter paradise. (hence the love of suicide missions for islamic terrorists)

However most importantly the islamic killers who do the actual killing are a grade higher than other muslims.

muhammad even gave himself permission to carry out mass slaughter with the following:

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise

You claim misinterpretation as your excuse for islamic terror, can you explain how jihadists have got the above and many more such verses wrong?

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Reply #182 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

Are you starting to understand now, Pho? Here we have Moses, who’s been given the Muslim reading of most of the Koran verses he’s quoted, and he refuses to believe what Muslims themselves think.

For some reason, Yadda, FD and Moses actually want Muslims radicalised. They refuse to accept the words of Muslims themselves, and they make up words for Muslims to stitch them up.

It’s called Freeeeedom. Google: taqiyya.

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Reply #183 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm

All the muslims and apologists have to do is explain how the jihadists have got it wrong.

The qur'an is supposed to be the infallible, unerring, never to be changed word of allah.

Every single muslim on earth believes and quotes this pathetic islamic nonsense.

The jihadist is the true muslim, he carries out the commands of allah in the qur'an, to the letter.

While muslims and their apologists incessantly carp on with their lies "it doesn't really mean what it says", "islam is a religion of peace".

What a load of crap.

It means exactly what it says.

Until muslims and their apologists have the decency to denounce the islamic doctrine which generates muslim atrocities, the jihadists will continue their depraved islamic ways.

The silence of muslims and apologists on this issue is moral support for the islamic fundamentalist and the rape, torture and murder he relishes as the true muslim path.

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Reply #184 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:16pm

One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses? Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness? You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

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Big Donger Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 101713	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #185 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:33pm moses wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm: All the muslims and apologists have to do is explain how the jihadists have got it wrong. But we have, Moses. You keep forgetting. Look at all those posts we apologists made. You want to play this game forever, don't you?
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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #187 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Big Donger wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

For some reason, Yadda, FD and Moses actually want Muslims radicalised. They refuse to accept the words of Muslims themselves, and they make up words for Muslims to stitch them up.

Summed up to a tee.

I mean, look at you, G. You're a cunning Muslim who refuses to commit slaughter in the land. FD and Moses say you're far worse than than the head-hackers.

People who disobey orders are a threat to our very way of life.

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Reply #189 - Jul 18^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

Karnal wrote: Quote:

But we have, Moses. You keep forgetting. Look at all those posts we apologists made.

You want to play this game forever, don't you?

Your tired old "it doesn't really mean what it says" is worthless.

When are you going to stop with the lame excuses and address the issue of the commands to torture and murder in the qur'an, which engender the islamic blood lust of the muslim fundamentalist?

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Reply #191 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:25am

Just in case you missed this, Moses? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses? Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness? You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #192 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

Just in case you missed this Brian:

Can you tell us how the jihadists misinterpret the following?

qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled[] - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

qur'an 4.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward

qur'an 9.20: Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's cause are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

qur'an 61.11: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

All of the above teach that killing is the duty of muslims, those who die while carrying out this islamic slaughter will definitely enter paradise. (hence the love of suicide missions for islamic terrorists)

However most importantly the islamic killers who do the actual killing are a grade higher than other muslims.

muhammad even gave himself permission to carry out mass slaughter with the following:

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise

You claim misinterpretation as your excuse for islamic terror, can you explain how jihadists have got the above and many more such verses wrong?

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Reply #193 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 2:28pm

Just in case you missed this, Moses? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

One might ask how was your Reclaim Australia protest march today, Moses? Roll Eyes

I wonder, how have you gotten your own religion so wrong?

Have you forgotten what Jesus Christ said about the issue of forgiveness? You are very unforgiving of all Muslims for some reason.

Forgotten?

Matthew 6:9-15
Daniel 9:9
Mark 11:15
Matthew 26:28

Roll Eyes

Why not answer the question about your own failure to observe what your Saviour said, Moses? I thought you claimed you were a good Christian? Roll Eyes

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #194 - Jul 19^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

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I thought you claimed you were a good Christian?

You thought?

Do you have any proof I claimed such a thing?

Are you lying once again?

Why is it impossible for muslims and their apologists to logically show how the muslim fundamentalist is disobeying the qur'an, with his islamic rape, torture, terrorism and mass murder?

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