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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #165 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 3:45pm

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In the interest of discourse i will cede the point.

Man Haron Monis murder and death could be interpreted as a terrorist incident. He shot someone. he is a muslim. Therfore he is a terrorist. i guess.

The definition of terrorism is the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

This ties with my understanding of the term.

I personally discriminate between Man Haron Monis and actions and traditional terrorist incidents because of the lack of political intent, and the lack of allegiance to any political group.

He made no demands or requests of any action in the political sphere.

If he has not used a flag(which resembled the ISIS flag) it would have been described as the actions of madman.

Anyway, thats my reason for interpreting his actions like that.
I accept that others may perceive differently and welcome any suggestions as to why.

I agree, Islamic Attacks have been threatened. SCARY

Islamic attacks may have been thwarted.
I don't know. If you work for ASIO or the Federal police you may know more than me.
If your just reading the paper i'm sure you will apply the innocent till proven guilty part of our legal system.

how do you separate the actions of a terrorist from a run of the mill lunatic? would Martin Bryant or Julian Knight have joined ISIL? would Islam then be responsible for their actions?
These are questions with complex answers and just jumping up and down going MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM may not be the best way to understand them.

Terrorism = In pursuit of political aims?

You've left out most of the meaning of the word terrorism, why is that?

From the dictionary:

terrorism noun: The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

So it appears you can have religious terrorists.

Islam preaches terrorism as it's highest path, the jihadist is to slay and be slain in the cause of allah, in return he is guaranteed direct entry into allah's paradise with a room full of big breasted houris.

The doctrine of islam which engenders terrorism is found in the following tenets: jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

WE have a world wide problem, caused by muslims and their islamic terrorism.

Until muslims and their apologists have the moral fortitude to stand up and condemn the islamic dogma which spawns and feeds fundamentalist islamic terrorism, muslim atrocities will continue.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #166 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

depends which dictionary you use. you state that islam preaches jihad as its highest path. you base this upon your personal interpretation of islamic dogma as well the extremist interpretations. you willfully ignore the interpretations of the majority of muslims by avoidance and obfuscation.
We do have world wide problems. islam doesnt make the list of important ones.
Smoking, car accidents and macdonalds are orders of magnitude more likely to kill or hurt my friends and family than islamic extremists.

Why arn't you soapboxing about these threats?

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #167 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:51pm iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41433 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #168 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:11pm Quote: Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez allegedly opened fire at two US military facilities in Chattanooga before being killed.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #169 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:40pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:11pm: Quote: Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez Right there - nuffin to do wiv Islam. Everyone can see that.
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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #170 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?

What is your personal experience with fascism?

Do you reserve judgement on fascism until you have the experience of being actually deported to Belsen?

Or do you take into account the reports of credible witnesses?

Please explain.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #171 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:26pm Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:51pm: iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?
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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #172 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?

What is your personal experience with fascism?

Do you reserve judgement on fascism until you have the experience of being actually deported to Belsen?

Or do you take into account the reports of credible witnesses?

Please explain.

I have no personal experience with fascism.
That's why I don't talk about it.
If you start a thread about fascism ill read it and refrain from comment due to my personal ignorance.

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #173 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:43pm Actually, you should start a thread about Fascism. I think you would be much more knowledgeable and informative about a topic that's really in your wheelhouse.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #174 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:52pm Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:43pm: Actually, you should start a thread about Fascism. I think you would be much more knowledgeable and informative about a topic that's really in your wheelhouse. fascism is islam around here pho
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #175 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:02pm I must admit that i'm amused by the irony of Soren bringing up fascism, particularly as an analogy in this particular thread
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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #176 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:03pm

Big Donger wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:23pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).

I would like this point addressed. Gandy, whaddaya reckon?

You’ll have to join the queue, dear boy. Gandy’s waiting on a point to be addressed by you.You keep diverting with the same ten year old post.

Whaddaya reckon?

Are you his PA bitch?

Miam miam, what?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #177 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 8:29pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 17^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

iv'e asked this several times yadda, what is your personal experience with islam?

What is your personal experience with fascism?

Do you reserve judgement on fascism until you have the experience of being actually deported to Belsen?

Or do you take into account the reports of credible witnesses?

Please explain.

I have no personal experience with fascism.
That's why I don't talk about it.
If you start a thread about fascism ill read it and refrain from comment due to my personal ignorance.

Islam and fascism have a core point in common - they both demand submission.
Islam means Submission.
Are you ready to submit? Or have you already?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #178 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Yadda please reread my post, based on your response you missed the point I was trying to make. ill try and phrase it more clearly. some people are crazy. some people are muslims. sometimes they are the same people. usually they are not.

Is this the 'Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'' argumenmt or do you think you are bringing a new isight?

We have done the 'Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'' argument to death and it is as shallow and stupid as it's ever been.

Do you have a new insight? It doesn't look likely.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #179 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:26pm

I don't think I have any really fresh insights, in the words of Yaddas favorite penpal "there is nothing new under the sun"

It seem obvious to me that not all murderous homicidal bastards are muslims.
And not all muslims are murderous homicidal bastards.
So maybe, just maybe, acts of murder and barbarity can exist without the influence of Islam.

I accept that the Quran can be(and is) interpreted in ways which support actions unconscionable to the vast majority(which includes muslims). I reject and Condemn those who participate in or organize such actions.
I refuse to demonize any segment of our community on the actions of small minority because i believe it to be counter productive.

If I hate Muslims I am going to be a dick to Muslims. That will make them hate me. Then they will be dicks to me. and so on
The only way to improve things is to try and love and accept them. Its not easy and goes against most of our innate psychological drivers.
Even at the cost of seeming weak surrender weakens the enemy when the enemy relies on conflict for survival.

Im sure someone has said it better than me before though.

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