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Reply #150 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:24am

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

Thats pretty damn tenuous yadda, Their are many phrases in the Quran that are much simpler to interpret like the following:

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Pho Huc,

LOL

Laughable!

[2.62] is full of weasel words.

What [2.62] is actually saying is;

If Jews, and the Christians, ARE MOSLEMS,

i.e. if those Jews, and the Christians 'believe in Allah and the Last day and does good'
[i.e. be good MOSLEMS!!], Allah will be good to them.

Read it carefully!!!!!! ....[2.62] actually says; If "those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."

Pho Huc,

Your representation of what [2.62] says, is a COMPLETE fraud!

FURTHER;
The Koran is supposed to be the revealed, *inerrant*, words of Allah himself.

But Allah is somewhat inconsistent....

Position #1
In the Koran!!!! ....Allah declares that Christians are nearest in love to the believers [to muslims], and the Christians are not arrogant [like Jews and Pagans].

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant."
Koran 5.082

Position #2
Despite Allah's declaration in 5.082 that amongst Christians are '....men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world',

Koran 9.030 declares that Christians bear Allah's curse [just like Jews and Pagans].

"......and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah......

Allah's curse be on them:

how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.030

THE TRUTH;

There is no sympathy or mercy, among moslems [when they have power over Christians], for Christians.

Christians [when they fall into the power of moslems] are to be slaughtered, by the moslem, just like all other disbelievers who reject Allah's 'perfect' religion.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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Question:

Are Muslims allowed to make friends with Christians, Jews or other non-Muslims?

Summary Answer:

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers."

Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs.

It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims.

In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

[Koran and Hadith citations, are given....]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/009-friends-with-christians-jews.htm

For any one who doubts the truth, of ISLAM's malevolence towards Christians and Jews.

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Google;

koran against christians jews

Dictionary;

malevolent = = wishing evil to others.

Mohammed himself, on his death-bed said;

"May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians"

"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.056.660

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL, MOSLEMS.

It is the Hot place!.....for every moslem.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #151 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 11:08am

sorry yadda,
can you please repost in a more legible format?

I think you are the one mis-interpreting the Quran.

According to the Quran, Allah, Yaweh, Jehovah are all the same entity, just different terms used by different religions.
You have to distort it to a remarkable degree to infer the meaning that you find.
Though many people distort the Quran, all those crazy extremists eh?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #152 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??

Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Mohammed was a badarse murderous warlord with major difficulties with keeping the trouser snake under control. He conned his clan into believing that what the wanted to hear was a message from god. The revelations he delivered are laughable, incoherent and no god except a mad one would sanction such revelations as its final communication with its creation.

I would like these points at the forefront o any discussion about Islam until they can be impartially and definitively and objectively disproved. After all, Islam claims to offer a better way of being a human being than Western liberal democracy so Islam should make its case in the impartial court of reason.

(And this has been Islam's problem from the start - it has no reasonable case. It has only force and the threat of force to back it up. It is simply not a reasonable creed. ith sons of of Greece (the West) you do need to make a reasonable case. Islam has never been able to do that. It's only case has always been unreasonable = ie force and the threat of force.

So no evidence then. Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #153 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Pho Huc wrote:
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Up to 400 includes the numbers 200, 100,50 and 0.

Also, that up to 400 number is composed of both international fighters and domestic supporters. I'm not 100% sure what the governments definition for supporting ISIS is but that's only because they haven't told anyone.

You claim these numbers indicate .1% of Muslims are Terrorists. I state that if we had 400 people here who were violent terrorists we probably would have had at least one actual terrorist incident. since we havn't I call bulldust scaremongering.

Well I can recall islamic terrorist attacks being threatened.

I can recall islamic terrorist attacks being carried out.

I can recall islamic terrorist attacks being defeated.

Man Haron Monis, who conducted a muslim terrorist attack against innocent civilians forcing them hold an Islamic black flag up against the window of Lindt café, featuring the shahādah creed.

Counterterrorism police have alleged two of the five men they arrested in an operation in Melbourne on Saturday morning were planning an Islamic State-inspired terrorist attack on an Anzac Day ceremony.

ISLAMIC State has named Australia as one of five main targets for terrorist attacks, calling for “stab the crusader” to be a “battle cry” for its supporters around the world.

the teenage terrorist Abdul Numan Haider who went on an Islamic jihadi attack at a suburban police station in Melbourne’s east last September, armed with two knives and an Islamic State flag. He was shot dead by police.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #154 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

In the interest of discourse i will cede the point.

Man Haron Monis murder and death could be interpreted as a terrorist incident. He shot someone. he is a muslim. Therfore he is a terrorist. i guess.

The definition of terrorism is the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

This ties with my understanding of the term.

I personally discriminate between Man Haron Monis and actions and traditional terrorist incidents because of the lack of political intent, and the lack of allegiance to any political group.

He made no demands or requests of any action in the political sphere.

If he has not used a flag(which resembled the ISIS flag) it would have been described as the actions of madman.

Anyway, thats my reason for interpreting his actions like that.
I accept that others may perceive differently and welcome any suggestions as to why.

I agree, Islamic Attacks have been threatened. SCARY

Islamic attacks may have been thwarted.
I don't know. If you work for ASIO or the Federal police you may know more than me.
If your just reading the paper i'm sure you will apply the innocent till proven guilty part of our legal system.

how do you separate the actions of a terrorist from a run of the mill lunatic? would Martin Bryant or Julian Knight have joined ISIL? would Islam then be responsible for their actions?
These are questions with complex answers and just jumping up and down going MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM may not be the best way to understand them.

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #155 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

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A SYDNEY mother who abandoned her two children and fled to Syria is writing poetry and working with the widows of dead jihadists to target terror recruits

islam is a cult

No Islam is a religion. It passes the Litmus test. It all boils down to the ABCs.

Assure, Believe, Convert.

Islam assures it's followers of an afterlife, it's followers believe in Allah and the Quran and they wish to convert others to their beliefs.

That is a religion.

Now since you were making that comment in a derogatory fashion, Raven is going to have to agree with you.

Islam is a cult

So is Christianity, Judaism and Scientology.

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Reply #156 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??

Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Mohammed was a badarse murderous warlord with major difficulties with keeping the trouser snake under control. He conned his clan into believing that what the wanted to hear was a message from god. The revelations he delivered are laughable, incoherent and no god except a mad one would sanction such revelations as its final communication with its creation.

I would like these points at the forefront o any discussion about Islam until they can be impartially and definitively and objectively disproved. After all, Islam claims to offer a better way of being a human being than Western liberal democracy so Islam should make its case in the impartial court of reason.

(And this has been Islam's problem from the start - it has no reasonable case. It has only force and the threat of force to back it up. It is simply not a reasonable creed. ith sons of of Greece (the West) you do need to make a reasonable case. Islam has never been able to do that. It's only case has always been unreasonable = ie force and the threat of force.

So no evidence then. Thanks for clarifying.

So Islam is now about falsifiable evidence like science?

Who knew?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #157 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).

I would like this point addressed. Gandy, whaddaya reckon?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #158 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 9:35pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

In the interest of discourse i will cede the point.

Man Haron Monis murder and death could be interpreted as a terrorist incident.

He shot someone. he is a muslim.

Therfore he is a terrorist.

i guess.

The definition of terrorism is the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

This ties with my understanding of the term.

I personally discriminate between Man Haron Monis and actions and traditional terrorist incidents because of the lack of political intent, and the lack of allegiance to any political group.

He made no demands or requests of any action in the political sphere.

If he has not used a flag(which resembled the ISIS flag) it would have been described as the actions of madman.

Anyway, thats my reason for interpreting his actions like that.
I accept that others may perceive differently and welcome any suggestions as to why.

I agree, Islamic Attacks have been threatened. SCARY

Islamic attacks may have been thwarted.
I don't know. If you work for ASIO or the Federal police you may know more than me.
If your just reading the paper i'm sure you will apply the innocent till proven guilty part of our legal system.

how do you separate the actions of a terrorist from a run of the mill lunatic? would Martin Bryant or Julian Knight have joined ISIL? would Islam then be responsible for their actions?
These are questions with complex answers and just jumping up and down going MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM may not be the best way to understand them.

Haron Monis forced his Lindt Cafe victims to hold up an ISLAMIC Shahada flag.

Not a moslem ?

Not an ISLAMIC terror attack ?

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'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar.

Pho Huc,

What about Mohamed Elomar ????????

Not a moslem ?

Not an 'Aussie' moslem ?

Not an ISLAMIC terrorist, MURDERING disbelievers in the 'Cause of Allah' ?

Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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Pho Huc,

What about these people ????????

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Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia

-------- > goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

Pho Huc,

Not 'Aussie' moslems ?

Not ISLAMIC terrorists ???

Not encouraging their fellow moslems to , MURDER disbelievers in the 'Cause of Allah' ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #159 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:02pm Yadda please reread my post, based on your response you missed the point I was trying to make. ill try and phrase it more clearly. some people are crazy. some people are muslims. sometimes they are the same people. usually they are not.
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Reply #160 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:23pm

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).

I would like this point addressed. Gandy, whaddaya reckon?

You’ll have to join the queue, dear boy. Gandy’s waiting on a point to be addressed by you.You keep diverting with the same ten year old post.

Whaddaya reckon?

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Re: islam exposed by muslims
Reply #161 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:31pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Yadda please reread my post, based on your response you missed the point I was trying to make. ill try and phrase it more clearly.

some people are crazy.

some people are muslims.

sometimes they are the same people.

usually they are not.

IMO, all moslems have a malevolent intent towards those who reject ISLAM.

And imo, if Allah provides the moslem with an 'opportunity', the moslem will 'rise to the occasion', and willingly 'express' that malevolence towards those who reject ISLAM.

Pho Huc,

Moslems denying that they have a malevolent intent [towards those who reject ISLAM], does not make moslems sane people.

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Sane moslems ?

Or merely deceitful moslems ???

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Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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WHY WOULD I BELIEVE, THAT ISLAM IS NOT MURDEROUS DEATH CULT ???

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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WHY WOULD I BELIEVE, THAT ISLAM IS NOT MURDEROUS DEATH CULT ???

THE INERRANT KORAN.....

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #162 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:42pm Which would be why we keep getting invaded by indonesia? that 200 million strong 90% muslim country. cause boy howdy, without us civilized christians in charge they must be slaughtering every kafir they see.
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #163 - Jul 16^th, 2015 at 10:47pm look yadda, technically there are NO sane fundamentalists. in any religion. as soon as your practice of religion starts to reduce the number or people you can easily associate with your exhibiting abnormal anti-social traits.
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Reply #164 - Jul 17^th, 2015 at 9:50am

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

moses wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 2:45pm:

More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).

I would like this point addressed. Gandy, whaddaya reckon?

I reckon, as usual, you and moses are going out of your way to dismiss the fact that a majority of muslims have goodwill and a peaceful interpretation of Islam. I reckon, as usual, you and moses are determined at all costs to pass off your violent and intolerant version of Islam as the true doctrine of Islam - and labelling me and the majority of muslims who disagree as liars. I reckon you and moses don't have any interest in seeing a resolution to this issue - outside mass persecution and vilification of muslims.

Actualy, I reckon you two are not frustrated at all - you thrive on it. I reckon you two jerk off every time you hear of another muslim atrocity.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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