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Reply #135 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 2:06pm

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Which 2008 study? This one, perhaps? "U.S.ReligiousLandscape Survey Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant June 2008" Or was it this one?"Religious Diversity in the U.S. Military: Human Potential supporting Cultural Acuity and Mission Accomplishment" Or could it have been this one? "Military Personnel and Freedom of Religious Expression: Selected Legal Issues"

Your first two links deal with the role of religion in society. The third link deals with freedom of religion in society.

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There are more to choose from, Moses...

Well you need them to back up your outlandish claims.

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Reply #136 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 2:45pm

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So how do you explain the fact that many of the "luvvy duvvy" verses - including 2:256 (no compulsion in religion) and 5:32 are the later Medina verses, or what you would call "abrogated" verses?

Have you ever compared the actual number of verses in the qur'an which command the killing of people, the requirement that all religion must be for allah, it's pathetic, muhammad even lied to give himself the right to slaughter Christians.

He falsely stated that Christians said allah had a son.

Christians did not believe that Jesus was the son of allah at all, they knew that Christ was the son of Y.H.W.H.

Didn't stop muhammad from slaughtering them, or present day muslims from carrying out the same inhumane killing of their fellow man (who have a different belief to them).

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Soren are you getting a sense yet the frustration people like me feel with these antics?

More importantly Gandalf, have you got any sense of the absolute frustration that is sweeping the globe, because people the world over are sick and tired of the atrocities of muslims, the lies muslims and their apologists tell to cover the root cause of islamic inhumanities (islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an / hadi'th).

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #137 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam exposed by muslims Reply #138 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:33pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm: Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son? How DID he justify it??
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Reply #139 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:25am

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??

Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #140 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:03am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

Allah himself justifies the moslem 'slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son'.

Isn't that so gandalf ?

Christians.

ISLAM says, "Dont believe on the son. Because Allah has no son."

Christianity says, "Believe on the son."

In the Koran, Allah [directly] states that he has no son [or 'children']....

"...Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son,...."
Koran 4.171

In the Koran, Allah [directly] CURSES the Jews and the Christians....

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! "
Koran 9.30

Shirk is the greatest major sin.

Because shirk involves associating others with Allah.

Allah does not share his power!

Google;

shirk greatest sin in islam

The sin of shirk, identifies that person as a wilful disbeliever, and as a person who insults Allah and his perfect religion.

Moslems characterise such people as those who deserve to die, and as legitimate targets of Jihadi violence [for the Cause of Allah].

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #142 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm

Thats pretty damn tenuous yadda, Their are many phrases in the Quran that are much simpler to interpret like the following:

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

The point is that the Quran, like the Bible or the Torah are not inherently moral, rather they rely on the morality of those who interpret them. We read the same bible as the Crusaders, we do not act like them.

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Reply #143 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

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A SYDNEY mother who abandoned her two children and fled to Syria is writing poetry and working with the widows of dead jihadists to target terror recruits

islam is a cult

I read the article(and the original, and the report it was based on)
Couldn't find the part about her targeting terror recruits(they do say that she was sending encrypted messages, then rely on context and the readers imagination for the rest). Admittedly she did write poetry about missing her own children which is pretty bad-ass. Id be afraid.

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Reply #144 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

Julie Bishop flags longer war as 400 Aussies sign up for jihad’s team terror

January 27, 2015 12:00AM

UP to 400 Australians are now estimated to be either fighting for Islamic State terrorists in the Middle East or actively supporting their cause here at home, with security agencies alarmed at the rate young men are turning to terror.

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There are about 400,000 muslims in Australia.

Which means that one in a thousand muslims is actively engaged in islamic terrorism.

There are approximately 23,000,000 people in Australia.

Going on the muslim average of one in a thousand, why aren't there 23,000 religious terrorists from the non islamic community?

There are none, therefore muslims are 23,000 times more likely to be a religious terrorist than any other group of people in our society.

Still we've got the muslims and their apologists desperately lying to us, with their it's got nothing to do with islam excuse.

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Reply #145 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 4:44pm

Up to 400 includes the numbers 200, 100,50 and 0.

Also, that up to 400 number is composed of both international fighters and domestic supporters. I'm not 100% sure what the governments definition for supporting ISIS is but that's only because they haven't told anyone.

You claim these numbers indicate .1% of Muslims are Terrorists. I state that if we had 400 people here who were violent terrorists we probably would have had at least one actual terrorist incident. since we havn't I call bulldust scaremongering.

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Reply #146 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:36pm

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A man suspected of plotting a domestic Al Qaeda-inspired terror strike screamed ‘cowards’ at police as he was arrested on his lunch break yesterday.

Eyewitnesses described the suspect being dragged away by masked plain clothes police officers who were waiting for him at the offices of a healthcare giant.

The dramatic scene took place at medical supplies distributor Alliance Healthcare in Letchworth, Hertfordshire, where he is believed to have worked as a driver.

Two other men, aged in their 20s and 30s, were arrested in simultaneous operations at separate homes in Luton, just 13 miles away.

more mad muslims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3161591/Police-hold-three-men-plotting-A...

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Reply #147 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

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tourist was forced to her knees at knifepoint at Rome's Colosseum in a terrifying attack that recalled an ISIS-style execution.

Hundreds of horrified visitors to the Italian landmark looked on as the attacker held a kitchen knife to the neck of a 26-year-old woman and yelled 'Allah is great' and 'It is God that sends me'.

The man held Chiara Frisco hostage for several minutes as he yelled religious fanaticism at the crowd with police powerless to act.

One witness said: 'It seemed like a scene from ISIS.

'He made the girl get down on her knees like you see in the terrorists' videos, while he held a knife to her throat.

'The only thing missing was the orange jumpsuit.'

Others told Il Messaggero he was yelling 'incomprehensible things, but among them "Allah is great".'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3160876/Knifeman-shouting-Allah-great-fo...

another cult member from islam

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Reply #149 - Jul 15^th, 2015 at 9:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Moses, when did Muhammad justify his slaughter of christians by accusing them of believing that Allah had a son?

How DID he justify it??

Its a legitimate question S - moses made a specific claim, I'm just asking for evidence to support it. What you are doing here is called deflection.

Mohammed was a badarse murderous warlord with major difficulties with keeping the trouser snake under control. He conned his clan into believing that what the wanted to hear was a message from god. The revelations he delivered are laughable, incoherent and no god except a mad one would sanction such revelations as its final communication with its creation.

I would like these points at the forefront o any discussion about Islam until they can be impartially and definitively and objectively disproved. After all, Islam claims to offer a better way of being a human being than Western liberal democracy so Islam should make its case in the impartial court of reason.

(And this has been Islam's problem from the start - it has no reasonable case. It has only force and the threat of force to back it up. It is simply not a reasonable creed. ith sons of of Greece (the West) you do need to make a reasonable case. Islam has never been able to do that. It's only case has always been unreasonable = ie force and the threat of force.i

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