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Reply #120 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

moses wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Are you aware of muhammads position on abrogation?

The later verses which abolish the former are all a pure reflection of the psychopathic, blood crazed personality of muhammad.

So how do you explain the fact that many of the "luvvy duvvy" verses - including 2:256 (no compulsion in religion) and 5:32 are the later Medina verses, or what you would call "abrogated" verses?

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Reply #121 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

moses wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 6:37pm:

Are you aware of muhammads position on abrogation?

The later verses which abolish the former are all a pure reflection of the psychopathic, blood crazed personality of muhammad.

So how do you explain the fact that many of the "luvvy duvvy" verses - including 2:256 (no compulsion in religion) and 5:32 are the later Medina verses, or what you would call "abrogated" verses?

The Muslim Game:

Muslims quote verse 2:256 from the Qur’an to prove what a tolerant religion Islam is. The verse reads in part, “Let there be no compulsion in religion; truth stands out clearly from error…”

The Truth:

One trick of apologists is to quote from earlier verses in the Quran to portray Islam as peaceful without mentioning that they are superceded by later, more violent verses.

The Muslim who offers verse 2:256 may or may not know that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem.

Explain (away) Gandy.

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Reply #122 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

5:32

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Not submitting to Islam is 'mischief' in the land of Muslims.

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Reply #123 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:33pm

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

The Muslim who offers verse 2:256 may or may not know that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.

Fail Soren.

Medina period = later period, after the hijra.

The Medina verses are the alleged "abrogation" verses.

Didn't you notice thats the exact point I was making when you quoted me? Cheesy

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Reply #124 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

The Muslim who offers verse 2:256 may or may not know that it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period.

Fail Soren.

Medina period = later period, after the hijra.

The Medina verses are the alleged "abrogation" verses.

Didn't you notice thats the exact point I was making when you quoted me? Cheesy

it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca.

They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them,

many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem.

God's revelation, my arse.

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Reply #125 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

The Muslim Game:

....followed by something that is demonstrably factually incorrect...

Soren are you getting a sense yet the frustration people like me feel with these antics? You jump in head first with the 'typical sinister muslim' accusation (in this case "The Muslim Game:") - and then lay out the "evidence" - which turns out to be something completely and outrageously false. And just like your honour-killer in Stockholm lie, you will never acknowledge how it is a problem. Oh, you'll offer the usual "yeah ok I got that wrong - lets move on" - but like then, you'll rub salt into the wound by the tried and true "but it doesn't change the fact...." - which is just another way of saying "there is no problem with my porky pies - because they point to a greater truth". And on and on you'll go - claiming the moral high ground and lecturing about tricky and deceitful muslims. Sounds unbelievable doesn't it - that someone could rail about muslims deceit - and continually dismiss the throwing around of porky pies about muslims left right and centre as somehow insignificant? Yet thats exactly what you do.

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Reply #126 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem

OK, so you want to make a counter-point. Its a rubbish point, but I don't begrudge your right to express it.

What I *DO* object to, is to preface your counter-point with the completely uncalled for slur against my character by inferring none-too-subtly that I am playing games and deliberately trying to deceive you with lies. Thats something I expect from Yadda and FD - not you.

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Reply #127 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 9:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem

OK, so you want to make a counter-point. Its a rubbish point, but I don't begrudge your right to express it.

What I *DO* object to, is to preface your counter-point with the completely uncalled for slur against my character by inferring none-too-subtly that I am playing games and deliberately trying to deceive you with lies. Thats something I expect from Yadda and FD - not you.

Islam is not an honest creed, Gandy.

It has revelations to suit all occasions and times. You do not want to see that. But it's there for all to see.

Mohammed's 'revelations' were just in time for his political needs. You insist that this is divine but I think it's a load of nonsense.

The final revelation to Mohammed is no improvement on anything that went before EXCEPT for bolstering Mohammed's political position.

You are blind, pretending to be stupid.

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Reply #128 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 9:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

it is from one of the earliest Suras (or chapters) from the Medinan period. It was “revealed” at a time when the Muslims had just arrived in Medina after being chased out of Mecca. They needed to stay in the good graces of the stronger tribes around them, many of which were Jewish. It was around this time, for example, that Muhammad decided to have his followers change the direction of their prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem

OK, so you want to make a counter-point. Its a rubbish point, but I don't begrudge your right to express it.

What I *DO* object to, is to preface your counter-point with the completely uncalled for slur against my character by inferring none-too-subtly that I am playing games and deliberately trying to deceive you with lies. Thats something I expect from Yadda and FD - not you.

Good heavens, G, you have such low expectations of the old boy.

That’s soft bigotry right there.

The old boy has every right to be a bigot, you know. He also has the right to not be offended. It’s not his fault.

He can’t help it.

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Reply #129 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 9:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 8:19pm:

The Muslim Game:

....followed by something that is demonstrably factually incorrect...

Soren are you getting a sense yet the frustration people like me feel with these antics? You jump in head first with the 'typical sinister muslim' accusation (in this case "The Muslim Game:") - and then lay out the "evidence" - which turns out to be something completely and outrageously false. And just like your honour-killer in Stockholm lie, you will never acknowledge how it is a problem. Oh, you'll offer the usual "yeah ok I got that wrong - lets move on" - but like then, you'll rub salt into the wound by the tried and true "but it doesn't change the fact...." - which is just another way of saying "there is no problem with my porky pies - because they point to a greater truth". And on and on you'll go - claiming the moral high ground and lecturing about tricky and deceitful muslims. Sounds unbelievable doesn't it - that someone could rail about muslims deceit - and continually dismiss the throwing around of porky pies about muslims left right and centre as somehow insignificant? Yet thats exactly what you do.

You cannot be simultaneously honest and maintain that Mohammed was the best of all men.

Something is on either side of that occasion is not true.

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Reply #131 - Jul 13^th, 2015 at 11:06pm

moses wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

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So, 77% of the US military are Christian and about 1% are other denominations, Moses

You are quoting from a private answer on yahoo services, a site where anyone can answer questions.

Shock, that someone might have private knowledge of the religious make up of the US military, Moses!

You appear to have missed the point where the answerer answered, "In a 2008 study of U.S. military members..."

Which 2008 study? This one, perhaps? "U.S.ReligiousLandscape Survey Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant June 2008" Or was it this one? "Religious Diversity in the U.S. Military: Human Potential supporting Cultural Acuity and Mission Accomplishment" Or could it have been this one? "Military Personnel and Freedom of Religious Expression: Selected Legal Issues"

There are more to choose from, Moses... Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #132 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

moses wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

Brian Ross wrote; Quote:

So, 77% of the US military are Christian and about 1% are other denominations, Moses

You are quoting from a private answer on yahoo services, a site where anyone can answer questions.

Shock, that someone might have private knowledge of the religious make up of the US military, Moses!

You appear to have missed the point where the answerer answered, "In a 2008 study of U.S. military members..."

Which 2008 study? This one, perhaps? "U.S.ReligiousLandscape Survey Religious Beliefs and Practices: Diverse and Politically Relevant June 2008" Or was it this one? "Religious Diversity in the U.S. Military: Human Potential supporting Cultural Acuity and Mission Accomplishment" Or could it have been this one? "Military Personnel and Freedom of Religious Expression: Selected Legal Issues"

There are more to choose from, Moses... Roll Eyes

For you to say that the US military is a 'Christian' force in the way that, say, ISIL is a Muslim force is utter nonsense.

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Reply #134 - Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:43am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 14^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

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Jailed over a Facebook post
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AN Australian artist has been jailed in Abu Dhabi for “writing bad words on social media”. She says she has no idea what she’s done wrong, or why no one will help her.
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I just don't understand people and facebook.

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