Karnal wrote:
Quote:I most certainly do not, Moses. I can't see how the quote about not murdering people is changed by your quotes about corruption (or criminality). Your quote 2.10 indicates that Allah will punish habitual liars. It's not an order to kill.
5.32 gives an out to killing people who break the law, i.e, corrupters. 5.33 talks about torturing people who declare war against Allah and His Messenger. I.e, Muhammed.
qur'an 5.32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul
unless for a soul or for corruption
[done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
According to 5.32 you can kill a murderer or someone who is doing corruption in the land.
Now what does the very next verse say?
qur'an 5.33 Indeed,
the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and
strive upon earth [to cause] corruption
is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
It commands torture and murder as a punishment for corrupters.
Now who are corrupters according to the qur'an?
qur'an 2.8: And of
the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.
qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.
qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them,
"Do not cause
corruption
on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably,
it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.Well according to the qur'an corrupters are muslims who have a different position to muhammad on the theology of islam.
So people who explain their different theological position as wanting reformation are to be tortured and murdered.
Muslims have been killing each other for about 1400 years now, over the slightest theological diffferences.
They do this because the qur'an tells them to.
The very deeds of muslims around the globe is proof of my position.
They are the most inhumane torturers and murderers, every one of these depraved muslims can and do justify their actions by the commands of allah, the teachings of muhammad, the verses in the qur'an.
Yet muslims and their apologists continually lie, telling us the qur'an doesn't really mean what it says.
Quote:I guess, with a long bow, Muslims could interpret this as an order to kill POWs, but there are other verses on that as we've discussed. Your verse on "slaughter in the land" means war on the battlefield.
It means exactly what it says. A prophet must slaughter excessively before he can take prisoners
Quote:And if it's instructions on creating a race of bloodthirsty killers, why tell them to be nice to each other and to preserve human life?
Are you aware of muhammads position on abrogation?
The later verses which abolish the former are all a pure reflection of the psychopathic, blood crazed personality of muhammad.
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