I don't know what is legal where you are but all I had to do was order it and have it sent to a local gun store. Now after I put about 100 rounds through  it this may be my new every day carry.

We are not allowed to have anything for self defence here,guns,knives,pepper sprays,mace etc are all banned, they even banned slingshots.
The criminals don't obey laws so they are armed.

The LC9 isn't allowed for pistol target shooters here,barrel is too short for the 120mm minimum length for semi auto pistol, revolvers have a 100mm minimum barrel length.

Anything over a .38 needs a high calibre permit here, a .357 magnum is considered smaller than a .38 so they are ok.

You can get a Ruger charger on a pistol licence here yet a 10/22 is prohibited for rifle licence.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:


You cannot get a firearm licence for self defence,knives are not allowed to be carried in public without a genuine reason.

It's illegal to posses mace or pepper spray, you could get charged with assault defending yourself with these prohibited weapons.
Read what this lawyer says bwian-
www.criminallaw.com.au/blog/criminal/general/is-it-legal-to-carry-pepper-spray-i...

The firearm offences have decreased to our lowest ever levels while simultaneously increasing firearm numbers to their highest ever levels,Dr Samara McPhedran was right with more guns = less crime.
It's a fact we have our lowest ever gun crime rates while having our highest ever number of registered firearms.

Knife offences are going up,nobody says anything about knives being the most common  murder weapon,the anti gun bigots are silent about the large number of people who die from being stabbed/slashed every year.
Why are they silent on tougher knife laws?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:42pm:


Can you cite where someone has used oven cleaner for self defence bwian?

I do accept the law and take more note of what the legal profession says on pepper spray and mace being illegal despite your absurd claims they are legal.

Not enough people on your forum for a mass debate and relate bwian, is that why you are trolling this forum?

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:55pm:


How was that self defence?

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:


http://www.hubbardtwppd.org/selfdefense/inhome.htm   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:


It isn't.

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The majority of illegal firearms in Australia because of our relative isolation are stolen from "law abiding firearms owners".   Some are knowingly given into the illegal trade as well.   

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 12:34am:


I believe Baron posted a link to the recent Senate Report on the Illegal Gun Trade, Lionel.

Here's a question for you.  Where do you think the majority of the guns in our illegal gun trade originate from?   

The majority of guns are legally owned in Australia, Lionel.

As we don't really know what proportion of the illegally owned firearms came from which source and won't 'cause the majority of Senators on the Senate committee, blocked any better collection of data, it appears neither of us can prove our point.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:


I know that, Brian. Not even you could argue otherwise.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:


I've gotta hand it to you, you keep getting up. Never say "die", eh?

So what you're telling me is that you're right, it's just that the 'data' hasn't been collected to support your previously stated position.

Mmmmm.

I think I'll claim this one, Brian. Given no references to the contrary, I think it's only fair.

And I'll certainly remember why references are sometimes hard to obtain:

" ... 'cause the majority of Senators on the Senate committee, blocked any better collection of data ".

That's even better than "such statistics are no longer collated".

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:


Why would I, Lionel?  I would have hoped you believed me to be more honest than that!  Have I ever told a lie to you?

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Each to their own, Lionel.  I think I'd call it a "draw" at best.   I suspect though, you'd be the one hiding from the results if the data was available...   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:


Well, I tend to agree with the coiners of that slogan.  You leave the keys in the car, you're asking for trouble.   Always remember though, locks are only ever designed to keep honest people out/away from the object they are protecting!

Gun owners, if they fail to secure their guns properly, are asking for trouble, particularly in such a lawless society as the USA's.   Do you secure your guns properly, storing the bolts separately (in the case of your semi/fully-automatic firearms)?   Or do you leave them lying around your household/car?   

We are not required to disable our firearms and ammo can be stored any way we choose. I feel better having a safe so my property doesn't get misused or stolen. There are no storage requirements just the responsibility to store them safely.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 2:58am:


Which explains why children can all too often get a hold of firearms and kill themselves or other people.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:


The senate inquiry also pointed out a guess is the only way to come up with a number for illegal guns.

It takes a special kind of stupid to think criminals will participate in a survey on illegal gun ownership,drug users rarely dob in their supplier when caught so what makes you think a criminal with a gun will tell the truth on where he obtained the gun?
It's a waste of time and money to think you could get accurate data from criminals like bikies who never cooperate with the police.

The senators also blocked the suggestion for a national standard on security of gun club members data, there was no evidence presented to show gun club data security is a problem,this is another effort by the green bigots to demonise law abiding firearm owners.

Most can see this was just political grandstanding from the greens to appeal to the ignorant with their fear campaign against law abiding firearm owners.

The syndicate importing illegal glocks from Sylvania post office were caught when a glock with a serial number was recovered, the traced the glock back to Europe where it was purchased by one of the middle eastern people employed at Sylvania post office.
If the criminal was smart enough to remove the serial number from his glock they would never have been able to trace it.

All registered firearms have serial numbers, if you have a spare barrel for a rifle you must have the rifle serial number on the barrel.

If they recover a gun with a serial number the police can trace where it came from, if the gun has no serial numbers it cannot be traced.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:



Of course we all know its a guvvermint plot to make collectin' yer firearms all that much easier, right Baron?

The Canadians stopped registering firearms 'cause they couldn't stop or slow the flood of firearms that came across their southern border, legally or illegally from the freeeedom lovin' US of A!   

|dev|null wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:


The Canadians realised gun registration was a waste of time and money,criminals don't register their guns.

Why does New Zealand have such a low firearm homicide rate despite allowing semi autos with sound moderators and no requirement for gun registration?

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:




The fact you should do your best to properly secure a deadly weapon doesnt register with the pro gun nuts

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:


In Oz, perhaps, Baron, perhaps.  In the good ol' US of A?  Doesn't seem to register with those gun nuts...   

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As they seem to love their inanimate objects more than their children, it's not surprising, really.

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Good.  I'd take the firing pins out of all guns!   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:



@ mortdooley

Please do not respond to this post!

You do not have the time, interest or reason to respond simply because you will get involved in explanations, statistics, quotes, links, arguments, factual distortions, etc.

Just ask a simple question and expect a simple answer.

Proceed at your own peril. If you need any convincing, go here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389775225/1215

That's my two-bits worth.

I don't know what a reasonable response is where you live but a Judge will decide here after the fact. Are you a Hero, did you do what you had to, did you over react or are you a murderer? Every case is different, I mean no one any harm but I refuse to be a victim!

There is very little chance that I will be involved in a violent crime but that doesn't mean it can't happen. I don't do drugs or drink to excess or go places where other people do. I don't go anywhere illegal activity might be taking place. I spend as little time as possible in anyplace labeled as a "Gun Free Zone", you can guess who will ignore the sign.

I can try to explain it to you but I can't understand it for you!

Any business that displays the proper signage in a prominent place near its entrance is one example of a gun free zone. I support their right to run their business any way they choose, I will not support them with my patronage. When the "Shall Issue" first became law in Texas  many stores posted signs, many customers in the politest of terms informed them they would shop elsewhere as long as the signs remained. Most signs came down! The good people of this state who went to the trouble to be background checked, tested and charged fees are not a problem. Our last Governor believes us to have shown we are the good guys  so if you visit the Texas Capital Building you will be required to empty your pockets in a bowl and have all bags and purses scanned. Unless you have a CHL and then you just smile at the security people, show your card and walk right in.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:46am:


Ignoring gun free zones would be the domain of criminals and not law abiding firearm owners.

The anti gun bigots cannot differentiate between lawful and criminal carry of a firearm,bigots like you say we should not judge all muslims by the devout terrorists yet when it comes to firearms bigots like you tar all law abiding firearm owners with the criminal brush.

So why do all these mass shootings happen in gun free zones and why has there never been a mass shooting at a NRA convention or gun show where they are swamped with guns?

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:


But that is exactly what many "law-abidin' firearm owners" do in the US of A, 'cause they got them a gun ownin' right in their constitution!  Just read any of the pro-gun-nut stuff on the web to see that Baron!   

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You want a gun to "protect yourself" from your fellow Australians who are no threat to you Baron.  What does that say about how you view your fellow Australians, Muslim or not?  Remember, this is Australia, not Guadalajara in Mexico...

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Do they?  Really?   

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It will happen Baron, it will unfortunately happen.   

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:
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How many gun massacres have occurred in "gun free zones" in the US as against the rest of the country Baron?

As for convicted felons, they obviously lost their rights when they got convicted - typical American hypocrisy!

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That is what you have implied in many of your posts Baron.

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And how many massacres have occurring in schools in the US Baron?

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Really?  You absolutely sure on that Baron?   

So, why are the American gun nuts so willing to accept regulation of fully automatic weapons but not semi-automatic ones?  What's the difference except the pull of a trigger?

Just another of those strange contradictions from the US gun nut community!   

The National Firearms Act was passed in 1934 due to too many Jimmy Cagney gangster movies!

I have an NFA Trust and if I wanted to pay the inflated price for a full auto I would legally  own one!

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:



My god!  Don't the mentally ill have rights too?  How dare they infringe on those Americans who perceive the world differently!   

But I am not mentally ill, unlike you Baron with your Islamophobia and Gun-nuttery.   Quick, what's your address?  I think you need to be reported to police!   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 1:39pm:


No phobia in my case.  I fear the gun nuts, not their tools.   

If you don't fear an unattended weapon you must fear a loss of power over other people. The Old, the Sick, the Frail, the Timid, Women or just plain Peace Loving. Most Bullies I have met dislike those they torment being able to fight back.


Old Quote:

“Be not afraid of any man;
No matter what his size;
When danger threatens, call on me—
And I will equalize!” 

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:16am:


I always find it amazing that some people appear unable to accept a democratically arrived at decision, particularly Americans.  History is full of examples of where they intervened or invaded to overthrow a democratically elected government which made decisions they disagreed with.   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:


I still have the right to defend myself. The right was never taken away by the Oz government. Just one method. Besides if we as a people want gun rights back don't you think the gun laws would have been overturned.

Again, democracy mortdooley. We spoke, deal with it.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:



So which ones correct, our democratic wish to not have your guns, or Yanks democratic wish to have guns.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:



I have my own weapons, About a metre in length, 700 gramss and made out of carbon fibre. Produce a hockey stickl and no one tends to argue.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:27pm:


Rights are granted by people to other people, Mortdooley.  I don't believe in God so, who granted me my rights?  They were hard fought for through the actions of men and women.   They were in advance often, of those your God granted your society.

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So, why do so many break the law?   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:


Do you feel any safer for having done so?  It seems not, as you appear to keep needing to purchase more and different firearms all the time...   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 6:46pm:



Oh dear! Statistics again!

See what you can do with this:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-wor...

Lots of omissions on that list. And lots of those omissions would yield significant data, if it were available.

Knock yourselves out, guys!

We killed 1,310 people by motor vehicle in 2012.

In 2003 there were 15,511 smoking related deaths - http://www.myvmc.com/lifestyles/smoking-statistics/

Drugs killed how many last year?

How many deaths related to Islam in this country in the past 12 months?

And GUNS are the problem?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:


You sure?

What about all the drive-bys, the gang killings, the home invasions, the gun crime, the drug-related killings?

Nuffin' to see here, folks - it's all entirely unrelated.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:26pm:


Perhaps you'd care to demonstrate to us a causative link between Islam and those crimes, in the discussions about Islam, Lionel and not here?  Remember, this thread is about the purchase of a firearm, in the United States for use, in the United States and why we don't want such firearms in Australian society...   

BTW, before we go any further, I've no real fear of firearms.  Nor of my fellow Australians who abide by the laws, as the are writ.  Nor do I think the USA needs more firearms regulation.  Enforcement of existing firearms' laws might help though.   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:


Perhaps if Americans stopped pursuing their happiness in the form of material goods, the thieves might find it easier.   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:


Harsher penalties send a message.  However, is it the message you want sent?  It would easier to make sure that ANYBODY who uses a gun suffers a penalty, be it a defensive or offensive use of the firearm.   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:


Yes, if they have broken the law, definitely.  Under Commonwealth Law there is no such thing as "justifiable homicide".   Criminals have exactly the same rights before the law as does everybody else.   You hurt/kill one, you're up before the beak, just the same as if the criminal hurts/kills you.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:42pm:
True, the best policy if you use weapons against an intruder in your home is to claim afterwards that they attacked you with the same weapon first and you managed to get it off them in a struggle. Always stick to this story.

if possible and they are deceased, place the weapon in their hand. Also, try and cut yourself on the forehead region before the cops arrive, this will create a lot of blood with minimal pain but will look good. Dont clean your blood, you want it everywhere.

Why don't all you Rambos  rely on Judo instead?

That's all Putin needs.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:


Judo is OK.  Personally, I've always preferred Karate, Bobby.

You do not fake anything, if the facts won't stand up you deserve to go to jail!

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 10:55pm:


No, it doesn't.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 11:22pm:



But I know a Judo expert who kept flipping an attacker on to the ground.
The police couldn't charge him as there were no marks or bruises.

If he would have used Karate & put the bloke in hospital he would have been charged with assault.

He controlled a bad situation without getting anyone injured.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 11:31pm:



Like what?

Judo is the only martial art I know of that has a low risk of injuring someone.

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That's not what I've seen.

I mostly see Karate students punching & kicking each other.