The majority of guns are legally owned in Australia, Lionel.

As we don't really know what proportion of the illegally owned firearms came from which source and won't 'cause the majority of Senators on the Senate committee, blocked any better collection of data, it appears neither of us can prove our point.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:


I know that, Brian. Not even you could argue otherwise.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:


I've gotta hand it to you, you keep getting up. Never say "die", eh?

So what you're telling me is that you're right, it's just that the 'data' hasn't been collected to support your previously stated position.

Mmmmm.

I think I'll claim this one, Brian. Given no references to the contrary, I think it's only fair.

And I'll certainly remember why references are sometimes hard to obtain:

" ... 'cause the majority of Senators on the Senate committee, blocked any better collection of data ".

That's even better than "such statistics are no longer collated".

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:


Why would I, Lionel?  I would have hoped you believed me to be more honest than that!  Have I ever told a lie to you?

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Each to their own, Lionel.  I think I'd call it a "draw" at best.   I suspect though, you'd be the one hiding from the results if the data was available...   

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36pm:


Well, I tend to agree with the coiners of that slogan.  You leave the keys in the car, you're asking for trouble.   Always remember though, locks are only ever designed to keep honest people out/away from the object they are protecting!

Gun owners, if they fail to secure their guns properly, are asking for trouble, particularly in such a lawless society as the USA's.   Do you secure your guns properly, storing the bolts separately (in the case of your semi/fully-automatic firearms)?   Or do you leave them lying around your household/car?   

We are not required to disable our firearms and ammo can be stored any way we choose. I feel better having a safe so my property doesn't get misused or stolen. There are no storage requirements just the responsibility to store them safely.

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 2:58am:


Which explains why children can all too often get a hold of firearms and kill themselves or other people.   

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:


The senate inquiry also pointed out a guess is the only way to come up with a number for illegal guns.

It takes a special kind of stupid to think criminals will participate in a survey on illegal gun ownership,drug users rarely dob in their supplier when caught so what makes you think a criminal with a gun will tell the truth on where he obtained the gun?
It's a waste of time and money to think you could get accurate data from criminals like bikies who never cooperate with the police.

The senators also blocked the suggestion for a national standard on security of gun club members data, there was no evidence presented to show gun club data security is a problem,this is another effort by the green bigots to demonise law abiding firearm owners.

Most can see this was just political grandstanding from the greens to appeal to the ignorant with their fear campaign against law abiding firearm owners.

The syndicate importing illegal glocks from Sylvania post office were caught when a glock with a serial number was recovered, the traced the glock back to Europe where it was purchased by one of the middle eastern people employed at Sylvania post office.
If the criminal was smart enough to remove the serial number from his glock they would never have been able to trace it.

All registered firearms have serial numbers, if you have a spare barrel for a rifle you must have the rifle serial number on the barrel.

If they recover a gun with a serial number the police can trace where it came from, if the gun has no serial numbers it cannot be traced.