At last one of the European countries is waking up to the threat of Islamisation.

The fight-back begins.

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"The largest protest was held in Dresden, where 18,000 people braved the cold to rally for the “Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident”, or PEGIDA group, chanting “we are the people” and “lying press” while carrying placards reading “wake up”.

The right-wing populist group bills itself as a grassroots movement concerned with promoting “Judaeo-Christian values” and tolerance for integration of Islam while opposing “misogynist, violent” ideology.

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The turnout was a record for the group, which has been staging weekly rallies in a number of cities including Munich, Berlin, Stuttgart and Cologne since October. More than 17,500 people took to the streets a few days before Christmas.

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A poll last week for Stern found that 30 per cent of Germans think Islam has such an influence on German life that such marches are justified.

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While she didn’t name the group specifically, Ms Merkel said when demonstrators chant “we are the people”, “they actually mean ‘you don’t belong because of your religion or your skin.”

They're not protesting against any one's skin.

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PEGIDA has sought to distance itself from the far-right, saying on Facebook it is against “preachers of hate, regardless of what religion” and “radicalism, regardless of whether religiously or politically motivated.”

I wish us Aussies had the balls of the Germans.

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:


What does it say about our time in history that the media in Germany is against those who object to having their ancestral homeland becoming increasingly at risk of Islamisation through its growing population of Muslims - with their higher than normal birth-rate, and through the government's refugee program?

Their media bosses, editors, and commentators are appalled that 30% of the population has any objection to Muslims and Islam becoming increasingly a foreign nation growing within the borders of the indigenous Germany.

And then there's Angela Merkel, the political leader of Germany, also expressing disgust that Germans want Germany for Germans, and not for Muslims who regard their real homeland as Turkey or elsewhere.

At any other time in history she would quite justifiably have been hanged as a traitor.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:



Point #1 ... That is hardly surprising considering there are 5,000,000 Muslims in Germany who are highly motivated to take to the streets to challenge any protests against their long-term ambitions for becoming a demographic majority.

And then they have the support of the One World socialist and communist Useful Idiots.

Point #2. This doesn't support what the majority of protesters are saying about the reason they are out on the streets.

Quote:

"Overnight, tens of thousands of people in Dresden turned out to rally against immigration and perceived Islamisation of the country",

and ...

"The largest protest was held in Dresden, where 18,000 people braved the cold to rally for the “Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident” ...

I really can't see anything evil or even 'rightwing' about this.

If the protesters were just a few hundred, you could argue that these were composed of mostly skin-head delinquents looking for a bit of biffo and hooligan fun ... but 18,000?

Hardly.

What this tells us is that a very high percentage of these protesters are NOT malcontents, but ordinary, decent Germans who don't like the way their homeland is slowly becoming a Muslim outpost of Middle Eastern Islam.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 8:11am:


good point Herb - I guess that says a lot about the motivation of the 75 million non-muslims who are supposedly "on the move against Islam" eh?

Apparently the Brandenberg gates and many other places in Berlin dimmed their lights in protest to the islamophobes. Nice gesture.

wally1 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 9:58am:



Most Muslims in Germany are Turks. The West is not bombing or sanctioning Turkey. it is a member of NATO.  You'd better think of another excuse for victimhood.

Or face reality: as Der Spiegel put the question 5 years ago, How Much Allah Can the Old Continent Bear?

Five years ago there were no large scale street protests. Now there are. What will happen in 2020?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:




Of COURSE you're feeling gleeful and in a celebratory mood that Germany has so many 'liberal-progressive' Useful Idiots working hard to help the ascendancy of Islam in their own ancestral homeland.

How many Muslims came out onto the streets to protest against the protesters? 0.0002% of Germany's 5,000,000 Muslims?

By this measure so can one apply it to the protesters. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:24am:


All that tells us is that Germany's leadership ~ both political and business-wise ~ want to make as sure as possible they don't lose the Muslim vote or their Muslim customers for being seen to remain silent and unsupportive.

And then we have this little gem from the same source ...

A Muslim woman in Germany appealed to the court that she was being beaten routinely by her Moroccan husband, and wanted a divorce.

But then ...

" Judge Christa Datz-Winter suddenly became inflexible. According to the judge, there was no evidence of "an unreasonable hardship" that would make it necessary to dissolve the marriage immediately. Instead, the judge argued, the woman should have "expected" that her husband, who had grown up in a country influenced by Islamic tradition, would exercise the "right to use corporal punishment" his religion grants him.

The judge even went so far as to quote the Koran in the grounds for her decision. In Sura 4, verse 34, she wrote, the Koran contains "both the husband's right to use corporal punishment against a disobedient wife and the establishment of the husband's superiority over the wife".

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