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Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Jan 2nd, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
Hi Guys
I like most of you that do a bit of home painting have encountered Acrylic Paint drying too quickly in hot weather,  in my most recent case (when doing a large interior window frame) coming to the end of the job and matching up the start with the finish to find the start paint has gone all sticky and stuffs up the finish.

I have had the same on large walls


There is a product to help


Floetrol Acrylic Paint Conditioner
Wet Edge extender for acrylics.
What does it do?

When added to paint, Floetrol gives a longer wet edge, increased coverage, extended spray gun life, easier flow and improved hiding. Floetrol maintains paint quality and does not evaporate.
How does it work?

The drying time of water-based paint or stain depends on the weather. In hot, windy or humid conditions paint dries too fast resulting in brush and lap marks. Water evaporates and increases chalking. Floetrol will reinforce the paint and make acrylics behave like oil based paint.
Where will it work?

Floetrol can be used in all acrylics, water-based paints and stains, water-based textured coatings and pebble finishes.
Use Floetrol when brushing

Floetrol improves every acrylic brush job because it:
• avoids paint build-up on brush
• avoids lap and brush marks
• stops paint pulling and dragging
• stops bristle separation
• retards chalking
• loads brush with 20% more paint
Use Floetrol when rolling

Floetrol will give a better job every time because it:
• reduces roller pressure on the surface to avoid paint build-up on edges of roller
• eliminates roller spatter
• does not leave roller marks
• provides a spray-like finish and loads more paint on roller
Use Floetrol when spraying

Floetrol is recommended by the world's leading spray equipment manufactureres because it:
• stops tip clogging and piston freeze-up on cup guns
• extends life of equipment
• improves spray pattern
• uses lower pressure
• assures better coverage
• makes clean-up easier
   
Floetrol lets me paint in hot weather as the drying time slows down. No brush marks either. John Winter
I have used Floetrol in paint for faux finishing. It allows effortless fine sanding to create the faux finish you desire. .

http://www.floodaustralia.net/products/paint_additives/floetrol.php

I have no personal connection with Floetrol and cannot be held responsible if you are a crap painter or use inferior paint or brushes..Redneck Inc.
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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 3:38pm
 
there are several products that extend the drying time of acrylics, the more common ones are used for decorative effects where you work with small tools over a large area, however you need to be really careful with what you use and the amounts ... a little to much and it can take so long to dry that the paint will have run off the walls before its had a chance to stick.

Floetrol is a good product, just be careful that you follow the instructions properly.

Having said all that, why the bugger would you paint windows in Acrylic? Enamels still remain the far better product for windows. Especially so if you are painting double hung or casement windows that move. Acrylics will soften in hot weather and will cause your windows to stick.
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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:05pm
 
Acrylic Enamel Water Based.

Easier to clean up.

I agree not as good a gloss as oil based but far easier to clean up.

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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:32pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:05pm:
Acrylic Enamel Water Based.

Easier to clean up.

I agree not as good a gloss as oil based but far easier to clean up.

Lazy Red



Acvrylic enamel is just deceptive marketing ... it's still 100% acrylic.
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:43pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:32pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:05pm:
Acrylic Enamel Water Based.

Easier to clean up.

I agree not as good a gloss as oil based but far easier to clean up.

Lazy Red



Acvrylic enamel is just deceptive marketing ... it's still 100% acrylic.


Yeah I know that!

It is easier to use and clean up is my point

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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 6:34pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:43pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:32pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 4:05pm:
Acrylic Enamel Water Based.

Easier to clean up.

I agree not as good a gloss as oil based but far easier to clean up.

Lazy Red



Acvrylic enamel is just deceptive marketing ... it's still 100% acrylic.


Yeah I know that!

It is easier to use and clean up is my point

Grrrr  Angry Angry Angry Angry


enamel isn't that hard to clean,. you just need a little turps. Well worth the extra effort in my opinion. I think I only twice used acrylic on windows, and that was at the insistence of the customer. Usually I convinced them otherwise despite the fact that it would have been easier for me to use acrylic.
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 6:38pm
 
So what is the solution to oil based enamel drying too fast in hot weather?

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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 7:54pm
 
I have had this problem when painting the boat floor on hot days, especially when the sun is on it. Even when I move it into the shade it still happens.

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In hot, windy or humid conditions paint dries too fast


Why humid conditions? I would have thought dry conditions would be worse.

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I have no personal connection with Floetrol and cannot be held responsible if you are a crap painter or use inferior paint or brushes..Redneck Inc.


I usually get the big 50c brushes from Bunnings. That way you don't have to bother preserving them. I will remember to blame you every time I have to pick a bristle out of the paint.
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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 8:30pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
So what is the solution to oil based enamel drying too fast in hot weather?

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oil based? if you heat up your pot with enamel in a pot with warm water, it'll keep the enamel viscous, alternatively you can piss in it (seriously, thats what old timers used to do when paintshop was hours away) ...

Not sure how long it takes you to paint a window, but I've never been that slow that enamel drying was ever an issue. If you need to stop and are worried about it drying, stop on a joint. You can go back the next day and restart at the joint and any inconsistency will be hidden by the joint.

they also sell enamel thinners that won't water down your paint like adding turps will.
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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2015 at 8:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 7:54pm:
I have had this problem when painting the boat floor on hot days, especially when the sun is on it. Even when I move it into the shade it still happens.


try the floetrol, its actually pretty good.

I'd recommend you use a 2pac on the boat though, you'll get a much longer life out of it and its much harder wearing although its a lot more expensive.
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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #10 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 6:11pm
 
Have a look on the container - most will tell you not to paint if the temp is above 30°C or under 0°C.

While products like Flowtrol etc may help, I can't say as I haven't used them.
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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #11 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:07pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 6:38pm:
So what is the solution to oil based enamel drying too fast in hot weather?




Penetrol makes it easy to paint

Stir paint thoroughly and apply. When paint "pulls" or "sets" too fast add Penetrol until the paint spreads smoothly and evenly. If paint is very thick, or in hot weather, 20% to 30% Penetrol may be required. If after a while the paint begins to "pull" add some more Penetrol. Let the brush or roller be the guide. For spraying 10-20% Penetrol is usually right. THE AMOUNT OF PENETROL NEEDED FOR EASY APPLICATION WILL NOT CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE PAINT.

http://www.floodaustralia.net/products/paint_additives/penetrol.php


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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #12 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:18pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 3:32pm:
There is a product to help


Floetrol Acrylic Paint Conditioner






I use it ALL the time
ALL weather conditions (rain excluded)
INSIDE and OUT



NB ... Do NOT apply ANY acrylic at below 13 degrees - or it is likely to fall to that level, within 2 hours


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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #13 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 8:35pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 7:18pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 3:32pm:
There is a product to help


Floetrol Acrylic Paint Conditioner






I use it ALL the time
ALL weather conditions (rain excluded)
INSIDE and OUT



NB ... Do NOT apply ANY acrylic at below 13 degrees - or it is likely to fall to that level, within 2 hours




we undercoated a house one afternoon, interior, with enamel ...  damn temp dropped to about 5 degrees even though forcast said a low of 12, by the time we got back the next morning to start the second coat all the enamel undercoat had run of the walls and onto the floors ... luckily the carpet had been pulled out  previously  Cheesy Cheesy...

used a lot of turps that day  Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Paint Drying Too Fast in Hot Weather
Reply #14 - Jan 7th, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 8:37pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 7:54pm:
I have had this problem when painting the boat floor on hot days, especially when the sun is on it. Even when I move it into the shade it still happens.


try the floetrol, its actually pretty good.

I'd recommend you use a 2pac on the boat though, you'll get a much longer life out of it and its much harder wearing although its a lot more expensive.


First I tried spa marine varnish, which looked great at first but wore straight off. Now I am trying that pool paint with sandy bits in it for grip. I'll try the 2pac (epoxy?) next if that doesn't work.
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