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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #150 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:41pm Quote: a lot for screwing it up but gee they done a good job of it, we will be paying their Labor's debt back for a decade if we are lucky ......reality check
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #151 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:45pm "we will be paying their debt back for a decade if we are lucky" Yeah, via 10%-20% inflation
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #152 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:49pm Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 7:59pm: ...bin on the Xmas schnapps Georgie? Heh, looks like a hiccup I have to admit but no not schnapps.
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Reply #153 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:17pm:

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But they also seriously undermined the structural integrity of the budget by making big spending commitments and giving huge tax cuts, on the basis of a flood of revenue that would inevitably dry up

Sounds a lot like what I have been saying for a while now and it is right, They had geared our economy to fail under pressure which was inevitable.

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John Hewson, former Liberal leader, economist and now professor with the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University, underlines the point: “The tax cuts Howard and Costello gave are now costing [the budget] about $30 billion a year, and the deficit’s $40 billion.”

Without those cuts and the $9 billion Hockey gave – unasked for and against the will of treasury – to the Reserve Bank, says Hewson, “the deficit problem wouldn’t exist”.

And that’s without including some $40 billion in tax concessions for superannuation, which accrue overwhelmingly to the wealthiest 20 per cent of taxpayers.

You can not really blame them a lot for screwing it up but gee they done a good job of it, we will be paying their debt back for a decade if we are lucky.

Still a LOT of Howard’s middleclass welfare to be cut, Budget would be in surplus if they did!

And Abbott and Hokey will quadruple the debt before they get booted out.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #154 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:21pm Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am: Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am: Hint - it's because they earn the most ...which is irrelevant Net tax is irrelevant.
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Reply #155 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 6:18am

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am:

Hint - it's because they earn the most

...which is irrelevant

Net tax is irrelevant.

The 'net' tax described here is taxable incomes (net of deductable expenses & tax offsets) not tax to Govt net of benefits.

Neither is irrelevant though.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90085 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #156 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 6:29am After deductions in most cases Swag.. after deductions for living costs not afforded to the common herd... nobody pays Jo Bloggs a tax deduction to drive to the station and catch a train to go to work........ But then Joe Hockshop has it right - the poor don't use cars... much...
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Reply #157 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:15am

Swagman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 6:18am:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01am:

Bam wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 8:52am:

Hint - it's because they earn the most

...which is irrelevant

Net tax is irrelevant.

The 'net' tax described here is taxable incomes (net of deductable expenses & tax offsets) not tax to Govt net of benefits.

Neither is irrelevant though.

are you enjoying the site of the lefties contorting themselves to try and misinterpret the rather obvious fact son who pays tax and who doesn't?

it is quite fun. I knew they were stupid and ignorant, but to flatly deny ATO and ABs statistics on actual tax collected (ie not an estimate) is astonishing.

The intellectual capacity and honesty of the left is.... negligible.

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101888	Re: Prepare to be educated righties Reply #158 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:19am Longy’s in full cover-up mode. He thinks the more he posts, the more he covers his tracks. And he thinks no one notices this.
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Reply #159 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:36am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 6:29am:

After deductions in most cases Swag.. after deductions for living costs not afforded to the common herd... nobody pays Jo Bloggs a tax deduction to drive to the station and catch a train to go to work........

But then Joe Hockshop has it right - the poor don't use cars... much...

I'm not championing the tax system, Grappler (I have plenty of the undeductibles you mention) just pointing out a few realities.

Mind you if one is still paying a crap load of tax after deductions for living costs even those "not afforded to the common herd" it shouldn't matter one iota to socialist slave overseers Cheesy

They still get more'n their pound (kilogram) of flesh.... Cheesy

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Reply #160 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:44am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:15am:

are you enjoying the site of the lefties contorting themselves to try and misinterpret the rather obvious fact son who pays tax and who doesn't?

it is quite fun. I knew they were stupid and ignorant, but to flatly deny ATO and ABs statistics on actual tax collected (ie not an estimate) is astonishing.

Aye, 'tis a particularlly robust discussion we be havin' with the 'Truebelievers' this day...

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Reply #161 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:50am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:15am:

are you enjoying the site of the lefties contorting themselves to try and misinterpret the rather obvious fact son who pays tax and who doesn't?

Come on now, this is a bit disingenuous. As i pointed out yesterday, the article itself does contortions to try and spin things their way, and as i pointed out, flat out lies in its presumptions that only the rich pay net tax. Far more depends on life circumstance (whether you are sick/healthy, have kids/don't have kids) than your income bracket.

The data is fine, the conclusions of the intellectual half pint drawing them is not.

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Reply #162 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 8:01am

You’ve already acknowledged your mistake, Swagman: you categorised high incomes at 1996 levels.

Today, $74,000 is the national average. Many households would be earning $180,000. The three tax scales you’ve referenced support this.

Tax is not a mistake. The ATO has very deliberately spread the tax burden across the income scale. The top end (over $180,000) contribute about 5% less than low and middle income earners, but this is just quibbling. Each population contributes almost a third of the pie.

There is no way anyone could surmise from your ATO figures that the rich support the tax system.

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Reply #163 - Dec 24^th, 2014 at 8:09am

Stratos wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 24^th, 2014 at 7:15am:

are you enjoying the site of the lefties contorting themselves to try and misinterpret the rather obvious fact son who pays tax and who doesn't?

Come on now, this is a bit disingenuous. As i pointed out yesterday, the article itself does contortions to try and spin things their way, and as i pointed out, flat out lies in its presumptions that only the rich pay net tax. Far more depends on life circumstance (whether you are sick/healthy, have kids/don't have kids) than your income bracket.

The data is fine, the conclusions of the intellectual half pint drawing them is not.

to be fair to you, stratos, you made a fine case and while we choose to disagree in part, you used facts and argument and did so well. my point is that the rest of your crowd have been an utter embarrassment by simply deny actual ATO facts, misinterpreting and gross stupidity.

yes the article has some bias and agenda as does the ACTU document I also read on the same document. but the actual underelying facts are unchallenged... but that doesn't stop the lefties on here doing exactly that.

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