polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:


You don't think me asking if there were any others would have resolved my 'misunderstanding' of your post?

Is that why you did your elaborate song and dance routine to avoid answering it?

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:


I honestly didn't know what you were referring to FD. I'm sorry for the confusion. I hope its resolved now.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 10:44pm:


Ah, the arrival of the man-and-not-the-ball disruptionist. The rest will be along soon.

Meanwhile ... (by Karnal's leave, if he'll be so kind as to restrain himself for just a few moments) ...

The thread title is: 'Islam and Australian secular values'.

Needless to say, by 'Australian' values we are first and foremost referring to the values of British Australians, and not that of 'ethnic' Australians among whom some of them still adhere to the traditional view of women 'knowing their place', and being demonstrably subservient to their husbands, and even to their brothers, as with some Muslims.

The Islamic and the British secular divide in social values is a chasm over there in Britain where even the most educated of Muslims still insist on the womenfolk being escorted 'below stairs' where their silly chatter and empty-headed idiocy will not disturb the profundity and gravitas of the males gathering in the upper chambers.

"A Lord Mayor walked out of an Islamic charity lunch after discovering that he would have to be segregated from his female consort.

Labour councillor John Thomas, 70, arrived at the function last Sunday with consort Margaret Corley, 72.

But Councillor Thomas, the Lord Mayor of Leicester, was said to be upset at being told he would have to dine in an upstairs function room with male guests, while his consort would be seated downstairs with the other women.

The lunch was held to mark the end of Charity Week – an annual fundraising event supported by around 20 university Islamic societies in the UK, and others in Canada and Qatar. It took place at a wedding and conference venue near Leicester railway station".

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'20 university Islamic societies' ...

This wasn't at the request of a bunch of ignorant peasants steeped in centuries of tradition, and from the back blocs of Afghanistan or Yemen.

These were the sharpest minds of the Muslim brotherhood relegating the local mayor's female consort to the lower decks where the chattel are kept penned until their menfolk are ready to take them home.

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THE former head of the controversial al-Risalah Islamic Centre in Bankstown said the four El Baf brothers who fled Australia to join Islamic State in Syria would be given a free house and he whole heartedly supported their decision.

Wissam Haddad said he knew the El Baf family but not the brothers Omar, 28, Bilal, 25, Hamza, 23, and Taha, 17, personally.

The brothers told their parents they were going to Thailand but later sent a text indicating they were in Syria.

“Do I support any Muslim wanting to live under a full Islamic system, yes I do,” Mr Haddad said yesterday.

“It’s not surprising to me ... I don’t believe it’s out of Muslim character.

“If they just want to live under the Sharia, from what I’ve heard migrants who come to the Islamic State are given housing and all sorts of things.

“They could just be living there. I don’t know if living in Syria is a crime under the Islamic State.

“There is something that Allah is offering more than any person or country can offer and that’s paradise..

“One of the scholars said how can you fight a people who look down the barrel of a gun and see paradise. It’s what we are all after, eternal bliss, eternal paradise, which is a lot better than the world we live in.”

The extremist al-Risalah bookstore closed its doors in September a month after Mr Haddad told The Daily Telegraph he supported Islamic State’s black shaddad flag and not the Australian one.

Mr Haddad said he was still in limited contact with his friends in Syria, including Khaled Sharrouf, and had plans to re-open “an office or a youth centre”.

The El Baf brothers’ great uncle Abdul El Baf, 75, said the family hailed from Tripoli in northern Lebanon and the boys were born and bred in Australia.

He said the boys prayed at the Sefton Mosque, close to their Yagoona home, with their father Issam but he did not think they were radicalised there.

“Somebody put poo in their heads. I don’t believe in this religious bullshit. I believe in Allah and pray and that’s it,” he said.

“I wonder what happened to these idiot kids. Don’t listen to these idiot political people.

“I am very upset for his family. He is a good father. I hope they would come back to the best country in the world — Australia.”

High school student Taha also played rugby league for the Regent Park Pumas, playing in the finals last year.

Pumas president Mike Cogger said Taha was a “pretty good player” who played in the centres.

“I always found him very polite. That (travelling to Syria) doesn’t sound like him,” he said.

Trying to teach British values to Australian kids would definitely not be approved of by our immigrant Muslim colonialist community leaders if the UK experience is anything to go by.

"A Sikh headteacher who ran a school at the centre of an alleged 'Trojan Horse' plot said today he was forced out because he was 'giving children British values'.

Balwant Bains claims he had to leave Saltley School in Birmingham after suffering a campaign of 'emotional harassment' spearheaded by Muslim governors.

Mr Bains, who was put on gardening leave and then decided to quit, opposed plans by Muslim governors to scrap sex education lessons and introduce only Halal meat, from animals killed in line with the Koran's teachings, for school meals.

The headteacher, which helped his school get record GCSE results in 2013, says he was accused of Islamophobia and racism after he tried to discipline a Muslim pupil who threatened other students with a knife.

Speaking for the first time about his treatment Mr Bains said: 'I suppose I was a threat, giving these children more British values, for them to be integrated into society.

One more time for the apologists at the back of the class:

"The headteacher, which helped his school get record GCSE results in 2013, says he was accused of Islamophobia and racism after he tried to discipline a Muslim pupil who threatened other students with a knife.

Now he’s stalking me, FD. He keeps putting up these creepy Yadda posts from those awful British tabloids.

Any chance you could use your influence to get me back on the ignore list?

I do enjoy reading Herbie, a non-citizen dictating to Australians what their values are and should be.   I enjoy even more, Herbie, a non-resident of the UK dictating to the British how their society should be acting.   We just need him, a non-resident and non-citizen of China to dictate to the Chinese how they should be acting.   Share 'round, Herbie!  Share it 'round!