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Greenpeace co founder on climate change
Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:44pm
 
Interesting comments on climate change from one of Greenpeace's co founders, good comments on genetically modified crops as well.

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CO2 should be classified as a nutrient, a food, a fertiliser- but governments would call it a pollutant.
www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/co2-a-nutrient-not...


CO2 generators are sold to increase production in Greenhouses,many peer reviewed papers on how increasing CO2 makes crops grow faster.
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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:57pm
 
While that is true in many areas temp increases will make crops grow not at all.
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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:57pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Interesting comments on climate change from one of Greenpeace's co founders, good comments on genetically modified crops as well.

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CO2 should be classified as a nutrient, a food, a fertiliser- but governments would call it a pollutant.
www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/co2-a-nutrient-not...


CO2 generators are sold to increase production in Greenhouses,many peer reviewed papers on how increasing CO2 makes crops grow faster.

errr....what is your point?  Virtually all nutrients, foods, and fertilisers are also pollutants.

Try pouring superphosphate, or a few dead cows into a river and see what happens
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:08pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Interesting comments on climate change from one of Greenpeace's co founders, good comments on genetically modified crops as well.

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CO2 should be classified as a nutrient, a food, a fertiliser- but governments would call it a pollutant.
www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/co2-a-nutrient-not...


CO2 generators are sold to increase production in Greenhouses,many peer reviewed papers on how increasing CO2 makes crops grow faster.

You aren't choosing to talk about the rate of change:why not may we ask? Are you hiding something??
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:43pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 3:08pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Interesting comments on climate change from one of Greenpeace's co founders, good comments on genetically modified crops as well.

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CO2 should be classified as a nutrient, a food, a fertiliser- but governments would call it a pollutant.
www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/agribusiness/general-news/co2-a-nutrient-not...


CO2 generators are sold to increase production in Greenhouses,many peer reviewed papers on how increasing CO2 makes crops grow faster.

You aren't choosing to talk about the rate of change:why not may we ask? Are you hiding something??

I haven't been on this forum for years for nothing ya know!  Smiley Smiley
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Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 8:29am
 
Greenpeace has been hijacked by fascists that are using environmental concerns as a cover for promoting a political agenda.
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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2014 at 11:12am
 
Garfield. wrote on Nov 14th, 2014 at 8:29am:
Greenpeace has been hijacked by fascists that are using environmental concerns as a cover for promoting a political agenda.

All human relations is politics.
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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2014 at 5:02pm
 
He had a very good article in the paper just recently.

AGW is bogus.  We need more CO2, not less.

We need more carbon dioxide, not less

PATRICK MOORE THE AUSTRALIAN NOVEMBER 24, 2014 12:00AM

AUSTRALIAN politics has been more influenced by the climate debate than any other country. Yet Australia is responsible for only 1.5 per cent of global CO2 emissions. Perhaps this speaks of Australia’s extraordinary commitment to the international community. Yet Australia has threatened to hobble its own economy while much larger ­nations take a pass while making pious pronouncements.

I am sceptical that humans are the main cause of climate change, and that it will be catastrophic in the near future. There is no scientific proof of this hypothesis, yet we are told “the debate is over”, the “science is settled”.

My scepticism begins with the warmists’ certainty they can predict the global climate with a computer model. The entire basis for the doomsday climate change scenario is the hypothesis that increased CO2 due to fossil fuel emissions will heat the Earth to unlivable temperatures.

In fact, the Earth has been warming very gradually for 300 years, since the Little Ice Age ended, long before heavy use of fossil fuels. Prior to the Little Ice Age, during the Medieval Warm Period, Vikings colonised Greenland and Newfoundland, when it was warmer there than today. And during Roman times, it was warmer, long before fossil fuels revolutionised civilisation.

Looking back over millennia, today the Earth is colder, and has a lower level of atmospheric CO2 than during nearly all the history of modern life. The idea that it would be catastrophic if CO2 were to increase and average global temperature were to rise a few degrees is preposterous.

Recently, the IPCC announced for the umpteenth time that we are doomed unless we reduce CO2 emissions to zero. ­Effectively this means either reducing the population to zero, or going back 10,000 years before humans began clearing forests for agriculture. This proposed cure is worse than adapting to a warmer world, if it comes about.

By its constitution, the IPCC has a hopeless conflict of interest. Its mandate is to consider only the human causes of global warming, not the many natural causes changing the climate for billions of years. We don’t understand the precise workings of the natural causes of climate change any more than we know if humans are part of the cause at present. But if the IPCC did not find that ­humans were the cause of warming, or if it found that warming would be more positive than negative, there would be no need for the IPCC under its present mandate. To survive, it must find on the side of the apocalypse. ­Either the IPCC should be reconstituted with a larger membership of UN bodies (it is now a partnership between the World Meteorological Organisation and the UN Environment Program), and its mandate expanded to include all causes of climate change, or it should be dismantled.

Climate change has become a powerful political force for many reasons. First, it is universal; we are told everything on Earth is threatened. Second, it invokes the two most powerful human motivators: fear and guilt. We fear driving our car will kill our grandchildren and feel guilty. Third, a powerful convergence of interests among key elites support the climate “narrative”. Environmentalists spread fear and raise donations; politicians appear to be saving the Earth from doom; the media has a field day with sensation and conflict; science institutions raise billions in grants, create whole new departments, and engage in a feeding frenzy of scary scenarios; business wants to look green, and get huge public subsidies for projects that would otherwise be economic losers, such as large wind farms and solar arrays. Fourth, the Left sees climate change as a perfect means to redistribute wealth from industrial countries to the developing world and the UN bureaucracy.

So we are told CO2 is a “toxic” “pollutant” that must be curtailed when in fact it is a colourless, odourless, tasteless, gas present at 400 parts per million of the global atmosphere and the most important food for life on earth. Without CO2 above 150 parts per million, all plants would die.

Over the past 150 million years, CO2 had been drawn down steadily (by plants) from about 3000 parts per million to about 280 parts per million before the industrial revolution. If this trend had continued, CO2 would have become too low to support life on Earth. Human use of fossil fuels and clearing land for crops have boosted CO2 from its lowest level in the history of the Earth back to 400 parts per million today.

At 400 parts per million, all our food crops, forests, and natural ecosystems are still on a starvation diet for CO2. While one wing of CSIRO promotes the IPCC line, another is demonstrating the positive impact of the small increase in CO2 over the past 50 years due primarily to fossil fuel use — a 10 per cent to 30 per cent increase in plant growth in many regions. Australia is benefiting more than most because its vegetation evolved for dry conditions. Increased CO2 means plants don’t need as much water, so our deserts are lusher.

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Reply #8 - Nov 25th, 2014 at 5:04pm
 
The optimum level of CO2 for plant growth, given enough water and nutrients, is about 1500 parts per million, nearly four times higher than today. Glasshouse growers inject CO2 to increase yields of 50 to 100 per cent. Farms and forests will be much more productive if CO2 keeps rising.

We have no proof increased CO2 is responsible for the slight warming over the past 300 years. There has been no significant warming for 18 years while we have emitted 25 per cent of all the CO2 ever emitted. Yet we have absolute proof CO2 is vital for life on Earth and plants would like more of it. Which should we emphasise to our children?

The IPCC’s followers have given us a vision of a dying world due to CO2 emissions. I say the Earth would be a lot deader with no CO2 and more of it will be a very positive factor in feeding the world. Let’s celebrate CO2.

Patrick Moore was a co-founder, and leader of Greenpeace for 15 years is now an independent ecologist and environmentalist based in Vancouver, Canada






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Reply #9 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 11:21pm
 
Patrick Moore did not found Greenpeace. He joined about a year after it was set up in Canada.

He is the chairperson of GreenSpirit Strategies Ltd, a leading Canadian green washing PR firm.

In February this year he told the US Congress that CO2 was 10 times its current levels during an ice age 450 million years ago. This has been demonstrated to be false. Moore has not retracted it.

He has received significant funding from the Nuclear Energy Institute, as well as funding (which may or may not be significant) from the Heartland Institute.

If you want to believe what Patrick Moore says, good luck to you. I won't try to stop you.
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Reply #10 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:27am
 
Paella wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 11:21pm:
Patrick Moore did not found Greenpeace. He joined about a year after it was set up in Canada.

He is the chairperson of GreenSpirit Strategies Ltd, a leading Canadian green washing PR firm.

In February this year he told the US Congress that CO2 was 10 times its current levels during an ice age 450 million years ago. This has been demonstrated to be false. Moore has not retracted it.

He has received significant funding from the Nuclear Energy Institute, as well as funding (which may or may not be significant) from the Heartland Institute.

If you want to believe what Patrick Moore says, good luck to you. I won't try to stop you.


Gratuitous character assignation. Is that your best?
Straight out of the Alinsky Handbook for Leftwing Nutters.
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Reply #11 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:36am
 
Soren, CO2 can develop plant growth, and this has been scientifically demonstrated.  However, there are several concerns with it, such as an increased amount of carbohydrate in the carbohydrate/protein ratio.

Then there is the much greater concern that rising temperatures and changing climate could have a catastrophic effect on worldwide crops that will far outweigh the benefits of having a greater plant growth from C02
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Reply #12 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:52am
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:36am:
Soren, CO2 can develop plant growth, and this has been scientifically demonstrated.  However, there are several concerns with it, such as an increased amount of carbohydrate in the carbohydrate/protein ratio.

Then there is the much greater concern that rising temperatures and changing climate could have a catastrophic effect on worldwide crops that will far outweigh the benefits of having a greater plant growth from C02


How are those temperature rises working out for you?
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Reply #13 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 10:19am
 
Soren wrote on Nov 25th, 2014 at 5:04pm:
The optimum level of CO2 for plant growth, given enough water and nutrients, is about 1500 parts per million, nearly four times higher than today. Glasshouse growers inject CO2 to increase yields of 50 to 100 per cent. Farms and forests will be much more productive if CO2 keeps rising.

We have no proof increased CO2 is responsible for the slight warming over the past 300 years. There has been no significant warming for 18 years while we have emitted 25 per cent of all the CO2 ever emitted. Yet we have absolute proof CO2 is vital for life on Earth and plants would like more of it. Which should we emphasise to our children?

The IPCC’s followers have given us a vision of a dying world due to CO2 emissions. I say the Earth would be a lot deader with no CO2 and more of it will be a very positive factor in feeding the world. Let’s celebrate CO2.

Patrick Moore was a co-founder, and leader of Greenpeace for 15 years is now an independent ecologist and environmentalist based in Vancouver, Canada






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The optimum level for plant growth ... Are you a treehugger now?
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2014 at 10:23am
 
Rider wrote on Dec 10th, 2014 at 9:27am:
Paella wrote on Dec 9th, 2014 at 11:21pm:
Patrick Moore did not found Greenpeace. He joined about a year after it was set up in Canada.

He is the chairperson of GreenSpirit Strategies Ltd, a leading Canadian green washing PR firm.

In February this year he told the US Congress that CO2 was 10 times its current levels during an ice age 450 million years ago. This has been demonstrated to be false. Moore has not retracted it.

He has received significant funding from the Nuclear Energy Institute, as well as funding (which may or may not be significant) from the Heartland Institute.

If you want to believe what Patrick Moore says, good luck to you. I won't try to stop you.


Gratuitous character assignation. Is that your best?
Straight out of the Alinsky Handbook for Leftwing Nutters.

Talking about the optimum level for plant growth is next to psychosis when there are more than plants at stake here.

The blokes a knob end! End of really  Huh Grin Grin
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