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Reply #180 - Nov 20th, 2014 at 2:19pm
 
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qur'an 9.73: O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

qur'an 66.9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.


muhammad was commanded to fight and kill people because they were disbelievers / corrupters.

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qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.


muhammad was a blood crazed homicidal psychopath, an inhumane mass murderer, who preached it was his divine right to slaughter innocent people

It is very clear that isil are following the qur'an to the letter, torturing and killing muslims who are not fighting with them against the unbeleivers, the hypocrites, the corrupters. isil are following in muhammad/s footsteps.

The only answer the doctrine of islam gives is: submit to fundamentalist islam, or be killed by the fanatics. isil are the purest form of muslims
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Reply #181 - Nov 20th, 2014 at 3:58pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 20th, 2014 at 2:19pm:
muhammad was a blood crazed homicidal psychopath, an inhumane mass murderer, who preached it was his divine right to slaughter innocent people


Live and let live, Moses.

Your namesake was pretty much the same, only he received these tablets from a burning bush that told him the right way to torture and execute those who disobey Gud's law. 

Y has a photo of the original tablets. Gud wrote to Moses in English, so that we would be able to understand them today. They tell Gud's chosen people not to kill, and then go into great detail on how they should be killed: burning, beheading, stoning, cutting off faces, breaking limbs.

Moses got the idea from Abraham, whom Gud told to kill Abraham's son, but then changed His mind and told him to cut off the end of his son's dick instead, along with all his descendents and slaves.

Gud called it the "blood covenant". Gud also asked his people to kill lambs and sprinkle the blood on their doorsteps. This was to stop Gud killing off their sons.

When they weren't burning and beheading and killing lambs to save their sons, Gud's chosen people were asked to kill gentiles. A king called David made quite a big deal out of it. Before he invaded the gentiles' cities and killed them, he cut off the end of their dicks and stacked all the flesh into a big pile before Gud.

Still, you can't say mean things about Gud's chosen people. That's anti-Semitism.

You shouldn't worry so much about Mo. We're all individuals, no?

No one has the right to not be offended.
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Reply #182 - Nov 20th, 2014 at 6:37pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 5:10pm:
|dev|null wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:42am:
Soren wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 12:44pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 21st, 2014 at 10:43am:
perhaps you need to find your sense of humour?   

Otherwise we might conclude that you're a bit of a "stiff neck"? 



Hands up all with NO sense of humour!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/holler.jpg


Who invented the word "puritan"?    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Mohammed?


Is that him in the middle there?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

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Yeah, that's 'im.




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Reply #183 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 8:53am
 
It can't be Muhammed. Muhammed was illiterate. Unless he is using that book to beat someone to death...
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Reply #184 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:27pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 20th, 2014 at 6:37pm:
|dev|null wrote on Nov 11th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 5:10pm:
|dev|null wrote on Nov 10th, 2014 at 11:42am:
Soren wrote on Nov 8th, 2014 at 12:44pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 21st, 2014 at 10:43am:
perhaps you need to find your sense of humour?   

Otherwise we might conclude that you're a bit of a "stiff neck"? 



Hands up all with NO sense of humour!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/holler.jpg


Who invented the word "puritan"?    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Mohammed?


Is that him in the middle there?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

http://www.endtimepilgrim.org/puritans.jpg



Yeah, that's 'im.


How do you know?  Afterall, there are no pictures of him, now are there?    Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #185 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:30pm
 
You do know this is where the old boy posts his comic strip from Punch of Mo and Jesus drinking in a bar, don’t you?

What a jolly wheeze.
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Reply #186 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:45pm
 
Karnal wrote: Quote:
Live and let live, Moses.

Your namesake was pretty much the same, only he received these tablets from a burning bush that told him the right way to torture and execute those who disobey Gud's law. 
etc.etc.


Is that the best you can do Karnal come up with 3414 year old text, from an ancient and barbaric society, which was superseded 2014 years ago?

I know you're trying to defend present day islamic doctrine of: jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

The stuff present day muslim terrorists cite as justification for their atrocities.

The exact same doctrine which all present day muslims acknowledge as the final and perfect word of allah / teachings of muhammad.

Going by what I see in the visual and written media, I'd say your defence isn't working.(there's a mountain of factual information out there which is exposing the hate, discrimination and violence in islamic doctrine)

The number of people expressing their disgust at islamic doctrine / muslim terrorists is immense.

The pen is mightier than the sword, no?

Truth will destroy islam.
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Reply #187 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 5:35pm
 
Yes, Moses, it’s the best I can do. The Koran is tame in comparison to the Old Testament. You’d know this if you read them.

No religious Jews I know are refuting the Torah, Do you know any? They believe it’s the immutable law for all time.

You use one principle for the Muslims and another for the Jews. Essentially, your argument comes down to "but the Jews aren’t the ones going around killing people".

Very true.

But somehow, despite this, they hold a tyrannical horror story as their religious text.- a much worse one than the Muslims use.

Like the Koran, it’s not all bad. I like Ecclesiastes and a few Psalms. But the laws are far worse than anything Mo proscribed. Indeed, Mo was a gentleman by comparison to.most of the Jewish prophets. Some had child brides, all had slaves, and many fought wars of expansion and terror.

So I ask you this: why do you let the Jews off scott-free? I don’t ask this to trip you up or make a cheap point, I’m genuinely curious why you don’t hate the laws of the Old Testament with the same zeal you hold for the Koran. Have I missed an important philosophical distinction?

Please explain.
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Reply #188 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #189 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 5:35pm:
Yes, Moses, it’s the best I can do. The Koran is tame in comparison to the Old Testament. You’d know this if you read them.

No religious Jews I know are refuting the Torah, Do you know any? They believe it’s the immutable law for all time.

You use one principle for the Muslims and another for the Jews. Essentially, your argument comes down to "but the Jews aren’t the ones going around killing people".

Very true.

But somehow, despite this, they hold a tyrannical horror story as their religious text.- a much worse one than the Muslims use.

Like the Koran, it’s not all bad. I like Ecclesiastes and a few Psalms. But the laws are far worse than anything Mo proscribed. Indeed, Mo was a gentleman by comparison to.most of the Jewish prophets. Some had child brides, all had slaves, and many fought wars of expansion and terror.

So I ask you this: why do you let the Jews off scott-free?


They are not waging bloody jihad against the west, other Jews, Hindus, Christian, yazidis,

This must have completely eluded your attention, PB. You probably think it a small to irrelevant matter.





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Reply #190 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:53pm
 
Soren please don't distract with your non-sequitur.

Moses is making a doctrinal argument to justify his criticism of islam - and is basically saying muslims are evil because their doctrine is so darn evil. Yet Karnal makes an excellent counter-argument - that if its all about evil doctrine, why aren't the jews even more evil - given that jews are firm in their belief in the authenticity of their doctrine.

The implication is that its not much to do with doctrine at all.

Now if you don't mind I'd like to hear Moses answer this interesting question himself.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #191 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:57pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 4:30pm:
You do know this is where the old boy posts his comic strip from Punch of Mo and Jesus drinking in a bar, don’t you?

What a jolly wheeze.


Ah ...Karnal at his best Smiley
Karnal likes to follow other people around on their posts and make childish comments...he has no capability of making any substantial comment himself  Wink..unless of course you wait for the once a month statement from him that has more than 10 words..which invariably means he has copied and pasted.
Good old Karnal..the person who will always fill up your thread with.....well something Huh...especially if Soren just happened to be the last post....
Everybody give a big thank you to Karnal...the man who just keeps on giving... Cheesy
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Reply #192 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 8:07pm
 
brumbie wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:57pm:
he has no capability of making any substantial comment himself


I disagree. This is the post of the day in my view:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411629874/187#187
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #193 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 8:07pm:
brumbie wrote on Nov 21st, 2014 at 7:57pm:
he has no capability of making any substantial comment himself


I disagree. This is the post of the day in my view:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411629874/187#187


Just like that one..a few local comments but otherwise universal..fairly easy to doctor.
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Reply #194 - Nov 21st, 2014 at 8:23pm
 
Are you saying he copied it from someone else?

Please do tell.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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