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Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

ISLAMIC JIHAD-STRIVING FOR THE CAUSE OF ALLAH

muslims and their apologists lie and tell us jihad is a spiritual struggle

PROOF JIHAD IS NOT A SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE
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qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 48.17: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.

If jihad is a spiritual struggle why do you have to be physically fit?

jihad means: physically carrying out terrorism, torture and mass murder against those the muslims disagree with.

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Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:31pm

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JIHAD TERRORISM AND MURDER ARE THE HIGHEST AND MOST SACRED DUTIES OF muslims IN THE qur'an
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qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

(muhammad was a blood crazed homicidal psychopath, an inhumane mass murderer)

qur'an 2.216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

qur'an 2.244: Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things

qur'an 3.142: Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while Allah has not yet made evident those of you who fight in His causeand made evident those who are steadfast?

qur'an 3.151: We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

qur'an 3.157: And if you are killed in the cause of Allah or die - then forgiveness from Allah and mercy are better than whatever they accumulate [in this world].

qur'an 3.158: And whether you die or are killed, unto Allah you will be gathered.

qur'an 3.169: And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord,receiving provision,

qur'an 3.195: And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah , and Allah has with Him the best reward."

qur'an 4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

qur'an 4.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward

qurr'an 5.35: O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means [of nearness] to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed.

qur'an 5.54: O you who have believed, whoever of you should revert from his religion - Allah will bring forth [in place of them] a people He will love and who will love Him [who are] humble toward the believers, powerful against the disbelievers; they strive in the cause of Allah and do not fear the blame of a critic. That is the favor of Allah ; He bestows it upon whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

qur'an 8.65: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

qur'an 9.014: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

qur'an 9.20: Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's cause are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.

qur'an 9.24: Say, [O Muhammad], "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people."

qur'an 9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

qur'an 9.39: Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things.

qur'an 9.41: Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.

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Reply #2 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:34pm

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qur'an 9.88: But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good things. Such are they who are the successful.

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

qur'an 33.23 Among the believers are men true to what they promised Allah . Among them is he who has fulfilled his vow [to the death], and among them is he who awaits [his chance]. And they did not alter [the terms of their commitment] by any alteration -

qur'an 47.4: So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of
you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

qur'an 47.35: Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds.

qur'an 49.15:The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah . It is those who are the truthful

qur'an 61.4: Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.

qur'an 61.11: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

qur'an 66.9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Every single verse is referring to physically murdering people or being killed while trying to slaughter others. (these mass murderers are the highest grade of muslim there is) allah loves them above all others.

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Reply #4 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:39pm

continuing on from above

Hijrah or emigrating to fight in the cause of allah

muslims and their apologists tell us those muslims who leave Australia to perform jihad overseas are not true muslims.

Another lie on their part:
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qur'an 2.218: Indeed, those who have believed and those who have emigrated and fought in the cause of Allah - those expect the mercy of Allah . And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

qur'an 3.195: And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah , and Allah has with Him the best reward."

qur'an 4.100: And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah . And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

qur'an 8.72: Indeed, those who have believed and emigrated and fought with their wealth and lives in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided - they are allies of one another. But those who believed and did not emigrate - for you there is no guardianship of them until they emigrate. And if they seek help of you for the religion, then you must help, except against a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty. And Allah is Seeing of what you do.

qur'an 8.74: But those who have believed and emigrated and fought in the cause of Allah and those who gave shelter and aided - it is they who are the believers, truly. For them is forgiveness and noble provision.

qur'an 8.75: And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah . Indeed, Allah is Knowing of all things.

qur'an 9.20:The ones who have believed, emigrated and striven in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives are greater in rank in the sight of Allah . And it is those who are the attainers [of success].

qur'an 22.58: And those who emigrated for the cause of Allah and then were killed or died - Allah will surely provide for them a good provision. And indeed, it is Allah who is the best of providers.

Every verse tells us muslims who emigrate to strive in the cause of allah (slay and are slain), are the true believers, worthy of allah's reward.

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Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:41pm

taqiyya and kitman: gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them with deception, concealing and disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..

lying is ordained for muslims, to conceal their true cause.

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qur'an 3.28: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their
friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.

qur'an 16.106: Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.

qur'an 9.3: And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

qur'an 66.2: Allah has already ordained for you [Muslims] the dissolution of your oaths. And Allah is your protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise.

qur'an 2. 225: Allah does not impose blame upon you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He imposes blame upon you for what your hearts have earned. And Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

muslims are encouraged to make false oaths, break their oaths and treaties, to lie and deceive non muslims.

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Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:44pm

WHO IS ALLAH?

muslims and their apologists claim allah is only the Arabic word for God, they lie once again.

allah is the identity of a particular and specific god.

muslims say: Quote:

1/.allah is the one true god

2/.there is no god but allah

3/.Prophet Abraham built the Kaaba for people to worship God. While pagan Arabs admitted this fact and even kept the stone where he used to stand to build the Kaaba (Abraham's station), they brought idols to the Kaaba and worshiped them to get closer to Abraham's Lord, Allah, God of gods.

4/.[Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

5/.muhammad conquered Mecca he went to the Kaaba and destroyed all the gods Arabs had there. He kept nothing in the Kaaba.

1/.If allah merely means god, why don't they say allah is the one true allah?

2/. why don't they say there is no allah but allah?

3/. Why don't they say allah. allah of allahs?

4/. Why don't they say there is no other allah?

5/. Why don't they say: destroyed all the allahs Arabs had there?

Christians and Jews in islamic controlled countries / states have had to call allah god under pain of death for over a thousand years, they have no other choice.

Jews and Christians in non islamic countries and states are relating to Jehova, Y.H.W.H. or I AM as their God

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Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:50pm

The only jihad quote you’ve referenced includes wives and commerce, Moses - hardly subjects of war.

Your other quotes speak of "struggling and fighting" in a range of contexts. I fail to see how you can interpret jihad as terrorism and murder from the quotes you’ve posted.

I’m open here to being shown - one and for all - how jihad translates as murder. If you can do this I’ll agree with you.

I also promise to never mention jihad as spiritual struggle again.

Here’s your opportunity. Make the case, and I’ll join your jihad.

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Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 48.17: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.

If jihad is a spiritual struggle why do muslims have to be physically fit?

qur'an 9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

If jihad in the cause of allah is a spiritual struggle, why do muslims have to slay and be slain?

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Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:28pm

Moses continues to fail at making the case that a) aggressive violence is allowed and b) violence is the preferred path. Most of the verses he quotes can be interpreted as an inner, spiritual struggle and/or using peaceful means to fight for Allah (ie reference to using one's wealth) - but even the ones that do refer to physical violence (9:111), there is nothing to suggest this is wanton, aggressive murder. In fact it cannot be interpreted as such based on the clearly specified prohibition on murder and aggressive wars in other verses.

Unlike all Moses verses, one verse that cannot possibly be interpreted in more than one way is:

"By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

5:16

You tell me Moses, is there a different meaning to the word "peace". I'd love to hear you attempt some acrobatics to reinterpret "the ways of peace" as really meaning wantonly slaughtering any non-muslim that can be found

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:42pm

moses wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

ISLAMIC JIHAD-STRIVING FOR THE CAUSE OF ALLAH

muslims and their apologists lie and tell us jihad is a spiritual struggle

PROOF JIHAD IS NOT A SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE
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qur'an 4.95:Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -

qur'an 48.17: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.

If jihad is a spiritual struggle why do you have to be physically fit?

jihad means: physically carrying out terrorism, torture and mass murder against those the muslims disagree with.

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Good thread, moses.

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

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Above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, JIHAD - religious fighting, is [the same or better than?] a religious devotion.

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Jihad [religious fighting] is presented to a moslem [by ISLAM], is a devotion, as though the moslem 'fasts and prays continuously'.

And ISLAM's 'religious' texts reveal that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Moses continues to fail at making the case that a) aggressive violence is allowed and b) violence is the preferred path. Most of the verses he quotes can be interpreted as an inner, spiritual struggle and/or using peaceful means to fight for Allah (ie reference to using one's wealth).....

Jihad.

Not a spiritual struggle.

Mohammed, can't imagine anything better that dying as a martyr, and being resurrected by Allah, TO FIGHT AGAIN.

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072iFIGHTING, FIGHTING, FIGHTING, .....for Allah's cause, is Jihad

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

TRY GOOGLE; Wink

Jihad = = religious fighting in Allah's cause

"Jihad is the pinnacle of ISLAM."

....is a refrain often declared among moslems

Google;
jihad - is the pinnacle of islam

Google;
Jihad operations

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #14 - Sep 25^th, 2014 at 9:20pm

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You tell me Moses, is there a different meaning to the word "peace". I'd love to hear you attempt some acrobatics to reinterpret "the ways of peace" as really meaning wantonly slaughtering any non-muslim that can be found

Peace is what you have when you have finished slaughtering the infidel. It's pretty hard to build an anti-war ideology from the teachings of one of the greatest warmongers of all time.

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