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Reply #45 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:30pm:

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So, the next time a Buddhist goes on a rampage, you'll demand all Buddhists immediately distance themselves from them and their actions?

The next time it becomes a global phenomenon based on Buddhist scriptures, I'll jump on the bandwagon.

Ah, so its not principle you're worried about? Typically shallow viewpoint there Freediver.

Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. If you show me a greater one, I'll listen. If you can only offer pissweak excuses, I'll ignore.

I'd suggest the greatest threat is the modern surveillance state. Soon there will be no where you can express your views without them being monitored by the Big Brother state. They will listen in everywhere. Of course, it's just to keep little diddums like you safe from the big bad Terrorists. Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #46 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

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The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim.

No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops.

Sprint. Yadda. Moses. Soren. All hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of all other Muslims.

Hot_Breath,

I hold all moslems responsible for choosing to follow ISLAM.

And i hold all moslems responsible for choosing to implement what ISLAM promotes.

QUESTION;
What does ISLAM promote ?

EXAMPLE;

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Hot_Breath,

QUESTION;

Who is this person responsible to ? [i.e. what is it, which inspires him?]

"Behead those who insult ISLAM"

Islamic Protest in the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.i+++

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else
Reply #47 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Children, children, please, seeing you squabbling like that is distressing. Sappho doesn't deserve your opprobrium, HB. Sappho is normally quite a deep thinker on most topics but I'm surprised you haven't seen this thread - http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410702542, where Muslims do speak out against radicalisation. What's your opinion of their efforts?

Sappho, I apologise for my brother, he can be somewhat hot-headed at time but he does have a point. Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. Further, you did not put a time limit on when they had to protest and not all the links in that Google search are out of date. This might be more appropriate?

Get fecked Brian! Don't you go apologising for anything I've said! Sappho had it coming. I can just imagine what she'd say if some man started talking about how women "liked rape" and were "begging for it" when they "dressed like that!" Angry

Yet she sits there and proclaims, "Muslims don't protest about radicalism in their religion," implying that Muslims are happy how the radicals are portraying their religion to the world. smack her, if she's too smacking lazy to smacking do a search on Google she deserves everything I've said! It's just prejudice, nothing else, dumb, blind, smacking prejudice. Grin

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Reply #48 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:04pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

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The higher standard that Muslims are held to is that you lot hold them responsible for the actions of people who claim they are inspired by the same religion as every other Muslim.

No we don't. Show me one person who wants to jail other Muslims for the stabbing of two cops.

Sprint. Yadda. Moses. Soren. All hold all Muslims responsible for the actions of all other Muslims.

Hot_Breath,

I hold all moslems responsible for choosing to follow ISLAM.

And i hold all moslems responsible for choosing to implement what ISLAM promotes.

You blame innocent people for the actions of others. You persecute them because of their religion and their beliefs.

I just imagine how much you'd scream if the positions were reversed and you were being persecuted like this.

You are not a Christian Yadda. You know nothing about the teachings of Christ. You ooze hatred and prejudice from every post. You are a bigot. Cheesy

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #49 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:28pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:04pm:

You blame innocent people........

You persecute them because of their religion and their beliefs

.

.......You ooze hatred and prejudice from every post.

You are a bigot. Cheesy

ISLAM, in all of its 'glory'.

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFgiIMAGE...

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #51 - Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

True.

So true. Cheesy

And if moslems are 'found wanting',

these are the consequences

for the 'wayward moslem'....

IMAGE....

Happy moslems in Syria and Iraq, doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah, by 'spilling the blood' of apostates.

ISLAMIC law texts - pronounce death to apostates [and non-moslems]

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

AND....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else
Reply #52 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:12am

|dev|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Children, children, please, seeing you squabbling like that is distressing. Sappho doesn't deserve your opprobrium, HB. Sappho is normally quite a deep thinker on most topics but I'm surprised you haven't seen this thread - http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410702542, where Muslims do speak out against radicalisation. What's your opinion of their efforts?

Sappho, I apologise for my brother, he can be somewhat hot-headed at time but he does have a point. Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. Further, you did not put a time limit on when they had to protest and not all the links in that Google search are out of date. This might be more appropriate?

Get fecked Brian! Don't you go apologising for anything I've said! Sappho had it coming. I can just imagine what she'd say if some man started talking about how women "liked rape" and were "begging for it" when they "dressed like that!" Angry

Yet she sits there and proclaims, "Muslims don't protest about radicalism in their religion," implying that Muslims are happy how the radicals are portraying their religion to the world. smack her, if she's too smacking lazy to smacking do a search on Google she deserves everything I've said! It's just prejudice, nothing else, dumb, blind, smacking prejudice. Grin

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 43782	Re: muslim leaders blame everyone else Reply #53 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:13am Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm: Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions. True. Thank you for confirming it, Y.
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Reply #55 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:13am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

True.

Thank you for confirming it, Y. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

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Luke 16:31

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Reply #56 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:13am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

True.

Thank you for confirming it, Y. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

Y, how have I misrepresented what you said? Do you deny typing those words? Roll Eyes

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Reply #57 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

Brian Ross wrote

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:13am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

True.

Thank you for confirming it, Y. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

Y, I misrepresented what you said Roll Eyes

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Reply #58 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

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muslim leaders blame everyone else

Yes, just read what this imam has to say:

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...Friends of the former Lyndale Secondary College student painted a different picture of the young Afghan.

Chris Owen, 19, knew Mr Haider through mutual friends who met at Narre Warren's Fountain Gate shopping centre last year.

Mr Owen said Mr Haider appeared deeply devoted to his family and his faith, but "didn't seem like he was an extremist".

"He was a good dude, a really nice guy. He would always greet me with a handshake and a smile ," Mr Owen said.

"What's going through the grapevine is he was getting a hard time from police and lost his passport because a mosque he was going to that was under suspicion. Although I can't forgive his actions, it seems like he was oppressed."

http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/concerns-of-recruitment-to-radical-groups-reported-to-police-20140925-10m52y.html

The ayatollahs are claiming that Tony Abbott's agent hassled him until he snapped.

I blame Labor.

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Reply #59 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

Soren wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 1:13am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 26^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Muslims are held to a higher standard than other religions.

True.

Thank you for confirming it, Y. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

Thank you for leaving in the link to my original post, so that people who go to my original post, can see, to what extent, you will go, to misrepresent what others say.

Y, I misrepresented what you said Roll Eyes

How did you misrepresent what he said, Soren? Roll Eyes

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