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So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:49pm
 
Father of Australian Islamic State fighter warns parents to be vigilant about extremist behaviour.   Why would he do that, unless he was speaking out against extremist support for ISIS?

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Re: So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:54pm
 
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-betrayal-of-my-beautiful-religion-islam-20140911-10f1h6.html

An article written by a prominent Muslim doctor.
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Reply #2 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:07am
 
He organised a community/interfaith BBQ get together as a show of solidarity with Australians and rejection of terrorism.

But as we all know....

nuffin to do with islam  Tongue
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Reply #3 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:34am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:49pm:
Father of Australian Islamic State fighter warns parents to be vigilant about extremist behaviour.   Why would he do that, unless he was speaking out against extremist support for ISIS?



He also said the actions of the Islamic state had tarnished the muslim faith, was it by doing what the Quran said in following Muhammads example?

If Islam has an image problem perhaps that is a direct result from behaviour of muslims.
The Quran tells you to follow Muhammad's example, the Islamic state are doing exactly what profit Mo did.
sunnah.com/muslim/32/1

Juwairiya was widowed when Mo attacked her tribe,Mo married her on the very same day he had her husband killed,muslims will say mo was a kind man who married widows.
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Re: So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Reply #4 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:42am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:34am:
If Islam has an image problem perhaps that is a direct result from behaviour of muslims.


Indeed Baron. And the absolute last thing you would want is for muslims to actually try and build bridges and reaffirm their rejection of violence and loyalty to their home nation. Lets be damned sure to muster up all the quranic and ahadith quotes to *PROVE* this imposter is not the genuine islamic article. That'll show em
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 1:12am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:49pm:
Father of Australian Islamic State fighter warns parents to be vigilant about extremist behaviour.   Why would he do that, unless he was speaking out against extremist support for ISIS?




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Muslims speak out against extremism?



What 'extremism' ?

Because Mamdouh Elomar is trying to put it about, within the wider Australian community that ISLAM has nothing to do with the extremism which is being exhibited by ISIS.

So Mamdouh Elomar is just being a blatant LIAR, and DECEIVER, imo.

I would feel so much better about Mamdouh Elomar if he would just tell the truth about what ISLAM promotes in the world, and to stop pretending, and stop denying, that ISLAM teaches moslems to have hatred for those who are not moslems.






QUESTION;
DOES Mamdouh Elomar CLAIM, THAT THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE MEMBERS OF ISIS, HAS 'NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM' ???....

ANSWER;

Yes he does!!!!

And that is a blatant and intentional lie!!!!





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Obama: The Islamic State “is not ‘Islamic'”
Robert Spencer      Sep 10, 2014


[citations from the Koran are given within the article.]



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/obama-the-islamic-state-is-not-islamic






SEE ALSO.....
At last, the claim that 'ISIS is not ISLAMIC' - is beginning to be ridiculed by increasing numbers of American citizens!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 1:22am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:42am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:34am:
If Islam has an image problem perhaps that is a direct result from behaviour of muslims.


Indeed Baron.

And the absolute last thing you would want is for muslims to actually try and build bridges

and reaffirm their rejection of violence and loyalty to their home nation. Lets be damned sure to muster up all the quranic and ahadith quotes to *PROVE* this imposter is not the genuine islamic article. That'll show em




Members of the moslem community who choose to continually lie to us,
        about what ISLAM is, and lie to us, about the type of relationship [of enmity and warfare] which ISLAM actually promotes towards non-moslems, are not 'building bridges'.

Any edifice, built upon falsehood and lies, cannot stand, or even support itself.

It will immediately collapse in a ruined heap.


The moslem 'rejection of violence and loyalty to their home nation',      ....is a facade.

It has no substance.

It does not exist.

It is a false and fake structure, which has been built upon moslem lies.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:59am
 
There is an article on the front page of today's Australian about Muslim mothers dobbing in their rebellious children to ASIO/police to sabotage their 'terror tourism' plans. Apparently this has roughly halved the number of Australians joining the jihad.
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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 8:21am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:59am:
There is an article on the front page of today's Australian about Muslim mothers dobbing in their rebellious children to ASIO/police to sabotage their 'terror tourism' plans. Apparently this has roughly halved the number of Australians joining the jihad.


taqqiya - surely?

A cunning ruse to make them carry out their terrorism here instead of overseas?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 9:32am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:59am:
There is an article on the front page of today's Australian about

Muslim mothers dobbing in their rebellious children to ASIO/police

to sabotage their 'terror tourism' plans. Apparently this has roughly halved the number of Australians joining the jihad.



'Setting the stage', for the murder of more moslem apostates [these mothers], by their own children - in Australia!

ISIS are showing moslems in the West, 'the way', the righteous and the guided way....

ISIS cadres are already slaughtering apostates and hypocrites [those who deemed to be, NOT moslems], in Syria and Iraq.

IMAGE....
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Happy moslems, because they are doing 'good works'.

Serving Allah's cause, by killing apostates.

  Koran 9.123









"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



"Allah Akbar!!!! Slaughter the apostates and hypocrites, and, those who insult the prophet!!!!"



IMAGE...
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And such killings [murders] are lawful, to the moslem.

Isn't that correct gandalf ?


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 9:40am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 9:32am:
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:59am:
There is an article on the front page of today's Australian about

Muslim mothers dobbing in their rebellious children to ASIO/police

to sabotage their 'terror tourism' plans. Apparently this has roughly halved the number of Australians joining the jihad.



'Setting the stage', for the murder of more moslem apostates [these mothers], by their own children - in Australia!

ISIS are showing moslems in the West, 'the way', the righteous and the guided way....




And this is completely lawful, 'ISLAMICALLY'.

Allah in the Koran,
even calls for believers to separate themselves, from members for their own families, from those who are apostates, hypocrites, and disbelievers.

And therefore, Allah is sanctioning their killing.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: So, no Muslims speak out against extremism?
Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 9:59am
 


Koran
009.023
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

009.024
YUSUFALI: Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious.
PICKTHAL: Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger and striving in His way, then wait till Allah brings about His command: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people.




"From verse 14 to the end of the Surah members of the Muslim society, which was a mixture of the sincere Muslims and the hypocrites and the waverers, have been told plainly as to what is the criterion of sincerity in Islam. One kind of Muslims are those who are friends with the enemies of Islam: they do not hesitate for the sake of their interests to be treacherous to the religion which they profess to believe in; they spread all sorts of doubts and suspicions against Islam and prevent the people from adopting the Way of Allah. But since they are part of the Muslim community their false profession of Faith serves them as a cover and shield. The second kind of Muslims are those who, in the matter of Allah's Religion, do not care even for their own father, brother, children, and family, to say nothing of others. They do not cherish any feeling of love for the person who is an enemy of God and His Messenger and His Religion. Allah in these verses has explicitly stated that the people of the first kind, in fact, belong to Satan's party however hard they may try to convince others of their Islam by swearing oaths. And the honor of belonging to Allah's party is possessed only by the Muslims of the second kind. They alone are the true Muslims: they alone will attain to true success, and with them alone is Allah well pleased."


AL-MUJADALAH 58
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #12 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 10:20am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2014 at 4:59am:
There is an article on the front page of today's Australian about Muslim mothers dobbing in their rebellious children to ASIO/police to sabotage their 'terror tourism' plans. Apparently this has roughly halved the number of Australians joining the jihad.


Did the 2007 FD read the Australian, FD?

I’m curious.
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Reply #13 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 10:59am
 
Don't know why you bother Brian.  Yadda already has made his mind up and it's closed.  FD isn't far behind.  Both tell Muslims what they believe, rather than listen to what they are saying.   It's just another example of their bigotry in action.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

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Reply #14 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 5:51pm
 
I always believe in giving people another chance, HB.  Perhaps one day the scales will fall from their eyes and they'll see the light and actually live up to the ideals they claim they believe in.   Roll Eyes
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