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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #15 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:45pm

Whatever.

Essential Research shows Labor still 52 to LNP 48. Abbott about as popular as leprosy (deservedly) and his Iraq policies disapproved off.

When his persecution of Gillard comes to nought tomorrow he at least will sink further in approval.

Somebody—get rid of this mob of clowns and baboons before too much harm is done for goodness sake!

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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #16 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

and he STILL HAS -19% APPROVAL! Grin

Howard was the same for much of his time in the big chair. and if to underline the value of this poll value, remember that Rudd has huge popularity.

now... what was that connection between popularity and effectiveness again????? hmmmm?????

Howard was ALWAYS in negative approval range? Grin

a lot of the time - hence the phrase 'much of the time'

but was he ALWAYS in double digit negative approval range? Grin

when he was opposition lead the Bulleting Mag ran an article 'Mr 18%.. why does this man bother?' I remember it because he became australias seoncd-longest serving PM. Personal popularity is not a very important measure. surely the Rudd experience sould have made that abundantly clear.

yes, yes, but for how long was Howard been Mr 18%? Tony's been Mr 18% or worse since he became opposition leader. Grin

That's now 4 years of not once getting a positive approval rating.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision Reply #17 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:57pm The odd desperate fanboi (very odd one here ) drags out Mr 18%. That was not in the mid–90s tho. Monkey has no chance of repairing his standing: he has little intellect or sensitivity or empathy and has made a terrible debut. They need to totally withdraw and redo their Budget just for starters.
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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #18 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:01pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

and he STILL HAS -19% APPROVAL! Grin

Howard was the same for much of his time in the big chair. and if to underline the value of this poll value, remember that Rudd has huge popularity.

now... what was that connection between popularity and effectiveness again????? hmmmm?????

Howard was ALWAYS in negative approval range? Grin

a lot of the time - hence the phrase 'much of the time'

but was he ALWAYS in double digit negative approval range? Grin

when he was opposition lead the Bulleting Mag ran an article 'Mr 18%.. why does this man bother?' I remember it because he became australias seoncd-longest serving PM. Personal popularity is not a very important measure. surely the Rudd experience sould have made that abundantly clear.

yes, yes, but for how long was Howard been Mr 18%? Tony's been Mr 18% or worse since he became opposition leader. Grin

That's now 4 years of not once getting a positive approval rating.

for goodness sake? who cares??? if the past 15 years haven't demonstrated conclusively that popularity of a PM has zero correlation to electability then nothing will. Howard was unpopular and won. Gillard was almost always more popular than Abbott and yet was never even close to beating him. Rudd was sky-high popular and was a total dud of a PM.

why not stick to a topic that has some actual relevance?

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision Reply #19 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:11pm We are talking approval not popualrity.
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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 90865 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision Reply #20 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:20pm We're talking approval of the handling of one issue.... that is not an all-encompassing mandate... The same result would appear for Bill Shorten or Julia Gillard if he/she were in the hot seat and took the same decision. As always - what were the questions? What was the target audience?
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision Reply #21 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:21pm If we are going to govern based purely on what is popular then based on the polls since the election Abbott must resign
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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #22 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 5:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

and he STILL HAS -19% APPROVAL! Grin

Howard was the same for much of his time in the big chair. and if to underline the value of this poll value, remember that Rudd has huge popularity.

now... what was that connection between popularity and effectiveness again????? hmmmm?????

Howard was ALWAYS in negative approval range? Grin

a lot of the time - hence the phrase 'much of the time'

but was he ALWAYS in double digit negative approval range? Grin

when he was opposition lead the Bulleting Mag ran an article 'Mr 18%.. why does this man bother?' I remember it because he became australias seoncd-longest serving PM. Personal popularity is not a very important measure. surely the Rudd experience sould have made that abundantly clear.

yes, yes, but for how long was Howard been Mr 18%? Tony's been Mr 18% or worse since he became opposition leader. Grin

That's now 4 years of not once getting a positive approval rating.

for goodness sake? who cares??? if the past 15 years haven't demonstrated conclusively that popularity of a PM has zero correlation to electability then nothing will. Howard was unpopular and won. Gillard was almost always more popular than Abbott and yet was never even close to beating him. Rudd was sky-high popular and was a total dud of a PM.

why not stick to a topic that has some actual relevance?

It is relevant that while people may support Tony's warmongering they absolutely hate him with disgust. And of course it's relevant because it leads directly to why this government has never even slightly enjoyed a period of approval. They won on the back of Labor being disfunctional and are now staring down a complete reversal come next election. Why? It's not just because their budget is crap. It's largely because no one really wanted them in the first place, but ultimately there was no choice. It's a completely different scenario to Howard who had his natural peaks and troughs, and won elections on the back of at least having positive approval ratings. Tony has never had one positive rating. You would think that on the back of the warmongering he's now done for 2 months that people support he'd at least get some boost to his own personal standings? Na ah. He's still hated. Grin

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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #23 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:27pm

It's not war mongering though is it?

Have you seen the situation occurring in the region?

A stand simply needs/needed to be taken otherwise we in the western world will end up swamped by terrorism - which will end up calling at our doorstep if left unanswered.

Nothing more clear than that given the anniversary of 9/11 coming up about the dangers of not addressing fundamentalist terrorism.

It's probably the one area where I'd have to praise your man Putin in his iron fist on dealing with Islamic terror in Chechnya.

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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #24 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

A poll of around 1200 people has found that the majority are supportive of the Abbott governments' decisions relating to IS and Iraq. This news will further isolate the lunatic Greens and their supporters, as if they weren't already alone enough!

What poll? Where? Do you have a link? What kind of 1200 people? Handpicked within the roman catholic church or the Jesuit Order or what, the Freemasons, the army???

BULLSHIT!

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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #25 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

It's not war mongering though is it?

Have you seen the situation occurring in the region?

A stand simply needs/needed to be taken otherwise we in the western world will end up swamped by terrorism - which will end up calling at our doorstep if left unanswered.

Nothing more clear than that given the anniversary of 9/11 coming up about the dangers of not addressing fundamentalist terrorism.

It's probably the one area where I'd have to praise your man Putin in his iron fist on dealing with Islamic terror in Chechnya.

I'm on record with agreeing on action against Isis. But when we come to a point where all we hear from this government is just about Isis or ukraine then what else do you call it? At one point limited news had 3 front page stories about the EXACT SAME SPEECHES at 3 different events.

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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #26 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

gone wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

A poll of around 1200 people has found that the majority are supportive of the Abbott governments' decisions relating to IS and Iraq. This news will further isolate the lunatic Greens and their supporters, as if they weren't already alone enough!

What poll? Where? Do you have a link? What kind of 1200 people? Handpicked within the roman catholic church or the Jesuit Order or what, the Freemasons, the army???

BULLSHIT!

Id be overwhelmingly surprised if there wasn't majority support for action against Isis.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision Reply #27 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:27pm Of course people support us mopping up the mess Howard, Bush and Blair left...but once we do it there needs to be a Royal Commission into the lies and deception used to justify the three amigos Iraq invasion.
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Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision
Reply #28 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:47pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

It's not war mongering though is it?

Have you seen the situation occurring in the region?

A stand simply needs/needed to be taken otherwise we in the western world will end up swamped by terrorism - which will end up calling at our doorstep if left unanswered.

Nothing more clear than that given the anniversary of 9/11 coming up about the dangers of not addressing fundamentalist terrorism.

It's probably the one area where I'd have to praise your man Putin in his iron fist on dealing with Islamic terror in Chechnya.

Andrei... mah man - it is already at our doorstep. Canada is sending military advisors - how long do you think it will be before Oz does the same?

'S a bi' like Norven Ahland - whenna goin' ge's tough - sen' in The Regiment. Looks good inna papers an' all.

OFTEN (do not misquote me here) the introduction of advisors is followed by an escalating need to offer them support and protection, often in the way of close air support, which then generates the need for airfield defence and so forth.

OFTEN sending in the clowns (ya wanna ping me for that - go talk to a real grunt - some do talk that way, you know) is the beginning of escalation. It is VERY difficult to apply just enough force in such a situation, drawing the fine line between endangering your troops and escalating into full on conflict.

You cannot fight a war with one hand tied behind your back.... which is why many feel that full intervention is the only way.

I fully anticipate a full blown conflict shortly. Be prepared.....

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Poll: Majority support Iraq decision Reply #29 - Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:52pm Essential Poll shows more disapprove of action in Iraq than approve.
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