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The game is over for Bill Shorten
Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:11am
 
THE game has just changed for Bill Shorten. The Opposition Leader must now show what he really stands for. 
 
Until now, Shorten has played a simple spoiler’s game and it’s worked. Check the polls: Labor has been ahead for months.

But there’s now two big problems: the election isn’t for another two years, and what’s worked so far won’t work so well any more.

Shorten’s spoiler’s game has been to say no.

For almost a year, he joined with the Greens and then Clive Palmer’s senators to stop the Abbott Government from getting its pet schemes through the Senate.

In fact, Shorten has been so manic about saying no, to make the Government seem dysfunctional, that Labor has blocked even what it once promised to pass, including $5 billion of its own spending cuts and the “termination” of the carbon tax.

Shorten’s problem is that what he’s opposed to has often been what he should have supported, like Budget cuts to rescue the finances Labor destroyed. Or like ending the carbon tax that’s killing jobs. Or like scrapping the mining tax that somehow managed to scare off investors without raising money.

And now the trap is sprung.

Shorten’s strategy could have kept working if Palmer had been the wrecker his big mouth suggested and stuck with Labor and the Greens in blocking Abbott.

Instead, Palmer eventually approved Abbott’s financial advice reforms after saying he wouldn’t. He agreed last week to scrap the schoolkids bonus after saying he wouldn’t. He’s now let through $10 billion in savings and helped to scrap the mining tax and carbon tax.

That’s dumped Shorten in a hole. He fought to keep those taxes, and fought those spending cuts, too.

What now? Does he promise to bring them all back? How, when the money’s just not there? In fact, he’ll be desperate to persuade voters he won’t actually bring back the hated carbon tax.

So the “no” game is no longer enough. Sure, there are still things Shorten should oppose, like Abbott’s paid parental leave scheme.

But Abbott has now demonstrated he can cut deals with Palmer to get things through this Senate, which leaves Labor looking not just impotent but bogged in fights of the past.

The pressure is now on. We’ve heard plenty about what Labor opposes. Now we need to hear what it proposes.

So what has Shorten got?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-game-is-over-for-bill-shorten/...
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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:11am
 
So what has Shorten got? Nothing. Zip. Nada.
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Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:13am
 
he could always do what Abbott did and say he'll do one thing and then do the opposite once he wins office

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Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:14am
 
only an idiot like Bolt would declare the game over for Shorten  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:22am
 
Abbott has shown us the perfect small target strategy to win government.

3 word slogans, focus on a dog whistle policy, scare the average voter and when you reach government not keep any promises.
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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:23am
 
The only time I agreed with Bolt was in Howard's last term when he became disillusioned with the government and started telling the truth for once.

Right now he's on par with Alan Jones and Akerman. All bluster and negative hype about the opposition to distract from the dislike most people have for Abbott.

When Abbott pushes the people and the economy too far into hopelessness, Bolt might start showing some honesty again.
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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:44am
 
Smell the fear from the Coalition lackeys.
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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:51am
 

from the original posting

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............He fought to keep those taxes, and fought those spending cuts, too.......


yep, thats the alp all over.
More taxes, more spending .................
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Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:54am
 
Andrew Bolt ROTFLMAO  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 11:01am
 
-19 approval for Tony.  Has he EVER been in the positive???? Grin

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Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 11:06am
 
I didn't think he'd even got started..... still waiting for something of value to come out of Parliament overall....

Damn - I offer enough ideas and none of these twerps take them up..... too many years ahead of my time....
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Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 11:10am
 
Newspoll shows 56% dissatisfaction with Abbott. Critical figure here—only 11% are uncommitted, nothing there for monkey to look to for improvement.

A harsh and unfair Budget, a job destroying, recession bringing Budget deserves to be opposed. Most of us here will be hurt by this Budget and stuff like killing the NBN just because it was a Labor project is beneath contempt. The NBN would have underpinned our future prosperity, now we have nothing if iron ore and coal prices keep dropping.

Yes, Labor opposed a small amount of its own savings because the shambles were not going to use the savings on useful projects.

Re Shorten, he has done the right thing, given the electorate a break from monkey’s vociferous bullshit. Now is the time he needs to change to shaowing conviction, anger, even passion about a fair go for all Australians.

I cannot see the Libs winning in 2016 in the absence of a major war and the West has lost its appetite for that.

Congrats on a REAL poll, Armpit!
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 10:51am:
from the original posting

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............He fought to keep those taxes, and fought those spending cuts, too.......


yep, thats the alp all over.
More taxes, more spending .................


Shorty's clearly learned NOTHING from the worst defeat the ALP has ever experienced. One of the main reasons for that defeat WAS the carbon tax and in declaring his intention to see it resurrected, he has effectively ensured Labor will remain in Opposition for at least the next election and possibly the one after. By voting against budget measures that Labor originally intended to introduce, Shorty has shown he is not interested in what's best for the nation, only what's best for him. That line of thinking is going to see him lose - not just the election but also his leadership, which may be under threat well before the next election. The election is still two years away and with the Coalition slowly clawing back ground on the ALP, once this budget is done and out of the way, things will only get worse for Shorty. Shorty's ALP has been a policy-free zone since the election, riding on mistakes made by the Coalition. That ride is at an end and he's now going to have to do some actual work and provide a credible alternative because at the moment, he's just an empty shirt.
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Reply #14 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 11:18am
 
Shorten HAS declared he would bring in an ETS and the Labor vote went UP in the latest Newspoll!

Try thinking for a change, Armpit!

Gillard’s Carbon Price lost its sting once it came into effect 1/7/12. Carbon pricing is not a vote winner for the LNP!

Now the shambles is divided on keeping the RET. Nothing there to point to am LNP election win in 2016! If monkey rescinds the RET (a Howard initiative BTW) he will piss off a LOT of people! If he keeps it Labor can ask “then why rescind the Carbon Price?”

Sooner the shambles goes the better for the country!
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