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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #15 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 4:31pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:54am:
wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:38am:
Anyone watch media watch few days ago?

They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes.

Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists.



that is so good to know.. now when James and Steve arrive home for CHrissy we will all hang our heads in shame for thinking bad stuff about muslims...

goodness me  I keep paying some fortune teller for the winning lotto numbers....so far all been duds can I ask for my money back???...


I'm not sure, dear. Every time Red's asked for a refund, he seems to disappear.
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #16 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am:
I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports.

Please explain.


Well I could (for the upteenth time) give you the usual theology lesson on islamic law to demonstrate why they are wrong. But perhaps you should be looking at it this way S:

When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic", you probably need to explain what is unislamic about these condemnations, and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.


We've all asked Y how his own views are in any way "Christian".

Y usually reponds with abuse, backed up with quotes from Leviticus.

Y admits that his views are not "Christian" in the churchy, ecumenical sense of the word. Y describes his version as "eccentric".

Jolly Y.
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #17 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm
 
wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:38am:
Anyone watch media watch few days ago?

They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes.

Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists.


So ISIS is being misrepresented by fake videos.

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Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?


Chopping people's heads off is Islamic. Muhammed was fond of the practice. Has ISIS surpassed Muhammed's record of 800 Jews in one day yet? MMight be a bit hard seeing as so many of the Jews have already been run out of middle eastern countries.

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When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic"


And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh? They were just head hacking rapists posing as Muslims to make Islam look bad...

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and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.


Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #18 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there [sic] behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh?


over 400 thousand who are not - obviously nothing to do with islam?

And by the way - the latest figure I've heard is 60. And my understanding is most of them are not with ISIL

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?


In Australia? I have no idea - do you? Presumably very small given the universal condemnation they get from the leaders who represent them.
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #19 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 8:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
Yadda I'm absolutely positive you followed the forum rules and *DIDN'T* post a link to graphic material without providing a disclaimer.

Am I right??




gandalf,

Clearly i should have stated in my OP that in part 1 goto 6m 25s there are dead, headless bodies shown.

The Spread of the Caliphate: The Islamic State (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsCZzpmbEcs


Not providing notice of that content, was an oversight.      And i apologise for that.

Also, somewhere in the series of 'Islamic State' videos, a crucified dead body of a man is also displayed.






wally1 [see wally1 post #4],

In your opinion, did ISIS do anything wrong in beheading their captured enemies ?

Or is it your opinion that the The Islamic State (Part 1) video is simply portraying fake dead, headless bodies ?


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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #20 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 8:50pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 8:19pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there [sic] behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh?


over 400 thousand who are not - obviously nothing to do with islam?

And by the way - the latest figure I've heard is 60. And my understanding is most of them are not with ISIL

freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?


In Australia? I have no idea - do you? Presumably very small given

the universal condemnation they get from the leaders who represent them.



LOL


"the leaders who represent them [the moslem community in Australia]."


....are simply 'flags' in the 'current political wind'.




"the leaders who represent them [the moslem community in Australia]."


....are simply self-serving political wanna-be's.




THE TRUTH;

If ISIS were to take power here in Australia, tomorrow, each one of those moslem community leaders in Australia would be falling over each other to declare their unwavering allegiance to Allah and to ISIS.

Google;
Taqiyya

The God of truth, will destroy, all such infidels.





Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit



How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war


Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"





Quote:
"A Study in Muslim Doctrine

...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine






Taqiyya

Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google






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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #21 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic",


Are these the same muslims who auctioned the IS flag?


polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers


Can you prove it is "only a tiny minority"?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.


Links to the above please.   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #22 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:38am:
Anyone watch media watch few days ago?

They had massive front pages that talked about how ISIS shot at a aussie humanitarium planes.Turned out to be a false media piece and that no body shot at the aussie planes.

Just like the fake beheading videos they show of suspected journalists.


So ISIS is being misrepresented by fake videos.

Quote:
Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?


Chopping people's heads off is Islamic. Muhammed was fond of the practice. Has ISIS surpassed Muhammed's record of 800 Jews in one day yet? MMight be a bit hard seeing as so many of the Jews have already been run out of middle eastern countries.

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When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic"


And 100 Aussie Muslims going over there to fight on there behalf - obviously nothing to do with Islam eh? They were just head hacking rapists posing as Muslims to make Islam look bad...

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and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.


Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?


100 is there? Last week it was 150, this week 60.

All they ever show is two aussie muslims in syria, sharrouf and elomar, they never show anybody else, maybe because there is nobody else there.
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #23 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:07am:
I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports.

Please explain.


Well I could (for the upteenth time) give you the usual theology lesson on islamic law to demonstrate why they are wrong. But perhaps you should be looking at it this way S:

When you have all the top muslim representatives here condemning IS as "unislamic", you probably need to explain what is unislamic about these condemnations, and also why the ideology of a tiny minority of head hackers trumps the ideology of the vast majority of muslims who denounce them.

The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology.
Some leaders of the 'vast majority' here would rather boycott a meeting with the PM than be seen or heard to condemn the IS.
None of the IS words and action deviate from Islamic doctrines or countless historical precedents. IS is not cult, not a newfangled invention. It is a return to source.
Take be headings. In the age of automatic firearms, beheading is a ritual. The ritual return to source, to the word of the Koran. That is the only reason why islamists from anywhere, including Australia, do it.

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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #24 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 11:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:23am:
I want to know what is unIslamic in anything said or shown in these reports.



freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
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Perhaps you need to explain what is Islamic about these videos?


Chopping people's heads off is Islamic.


The video shows that some enemy soldiers had been executed.

Is there anything wrong with that (bearing in mind that even the Geneva Conventions permit this is in certain circumstances)?

Those soldiers were seen as brutal oppressive foreign invaders by the locals, and it is not really all that surprising that there was an appetite to lop off their heads in those circumstances.

Imagine what would happen in Australia if we got our hands on Chinese soldiers  who had been robbing locals and raping their women?

It is true that Islam permits, in some circumstances, executing enemy soldiers, but so too does the Geneva Conventions which the Australian Government is a signatory to.







freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
so many of the Jews have already been run out of middle eastern countries.


Run out by themselves?

Did Mossad scare them out of Arab countries?

http://azvsas.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/the-zionist-destruction-of-iraqi-jewish.ht...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950–51_Baghdad_bombings
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #25 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 12:24am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?


No.  Do you, FD?  I suspect not.

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2007 at 5:56pm:
What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.


So, please explain how what you're doing isn't "alienating the entire Muslim community" by implying support for ISIS is widespread?   Roll Eyes
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 12:35am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 12:24am:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?


No.  Do you, FD? 


But of course. The answer is 100%, as decreed by their sinister prophet who ordered ISIS into being back in the old days. Also:

He ordered that Jew to be tortured for his gold.

He married Aisha.

He executed prisoners of war.

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for FD.
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Reply #27 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:19am
 
wally1 wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:08pm:
100 is there? Last week it was 150, this week 60.


I have no idea where these figures are coming from - FD doesn't either, but he'll pretend his magic 100 figure is rock solid. '100' has a certain ring to it you have to admit.

David Irving the other night would only confirm that its "10s" of Australians. So who knows where News ltd is getting their figures from. It is also incorrect to say (as some media have) that all 60/100/150 are fighting for ISIL. Most are fighting for ISIL enemies like Al Nusra.
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Re: A series of videos by Vice News - ISIS in Raqqa
Reply #28 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:24am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 12:24am:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Do you know what percentage of muslims support ISIS?


No.  Do you, FD?  I suspect not.

freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2007 at 5:56pm:
What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.


So, please explain how what you're doing isn't "alienating the entire Muslim community" by implying support for ISIS is widespread?   Roll Eyes


Nonsense Brian, FD's just asking the question - he means nothing by it.

Sometimes I question is just a question you know.
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Reply #29 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:31am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
[quote author=gandalf link=1410213238/14#14 date=1410317868]
The 'caliph' has a PhD in islamic theology.


Maybe he does, I don't know if you are being serious, but it wouldn't matter if he does.

Does it mean all muslims who have PhD's in islamic theology support his head-hacking views? Of course it doesn't - not even remotely.
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