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Re: Ban beards to control Muslims
Reply #30 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 7:51pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

I didn't realise Saddam was trying to win their support by slaughtering them. Perhaps he was just a little confused eh brian?

Saddam was defending the world against the Iranian ayatollahs. He was supported by the West, and I am sure that we have all seen the photos of Donald Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam at the time.

youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw

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Reply #31 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 7:55pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

They will fix the Muslim problem up easily.

The are more Muslims in China than there are people in Australia. There are 36,000 mosques in China.

In fact, China was run largely by Muslims for centuries.

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Song Dynasty

By the time of the Song Dynasty, Muslims had come to play a major role in the import/export industry. The office of Director General of Shipping was consistently held by a Muslim during this period...

Yuan Dynasty

During the Mongol-founded Yuan Dynasty (1271–1368), large numbers of Muslims settled in China...Hundreds of thousands of Muslims immigrants were recruited and forcibly relocated from Western and Central Asia by the Mongols to help them administer their rapidly expanding empire.The Mongols used Persian, Arab and Buddhist Uyghur administrators, generically known as semu [色目]("various eye color") to act as officers of taxation and finance. Muslims headed many corporations in China in the early Yuan period. Muslim scholars were brought to work on calendar making and astronomy. The architect Yeheidie'erding (Amir al-Din) learned from Han architecture and helped to design the construction of the capital of the Yuan Dynasty, Dadu, otherwise known as Khanbaliq or Khanbaligh, the predecessor of present-day Beijing...

Ming Dynasty

During the following Ming Dynasty, Muslims continued to be influential around government circles. Six of Ming Dynasty founder Zhu Yuanzhang's most trusted generals are said to have been Muslim, including Lan Yu who, in 1388, led a strong imperial Ming army out of the Great Wall and won a decisive victory over the Mongols in Mongolia, effectively ending the Mongol dream to re-conquer China. Zhu Yuanzhang also wrote a praise of Islam, the The Hundred-word Eulogy. It was recorded that "His Majesty ordered to have mosques built in Xijing and Nanjing [the capital cities], and in southern Yunnan, Fujian and Guangdong. His Majesty also personally wrote baizizan [a eulogy] in praise of the Prophet's virtues."...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

Muslims are not welcome in China anymore.

Off with those beards. Grin

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brumbie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 994 Gender:	Re: Ban beards to control Muslims Reply #32 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 8:13pm Ban Muslims to control Beards.
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Reply #33 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 8:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

A fake beard and sunnies do a good job of concealing a person's identity. As do face masks - which are of course not banned in France.

Did someone say sunnies & a beard?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EE5yoA_Mz8E/T56w0A4GOGI/AAAAAAAABxU/norRGJXV-1o/s400/U...

His wedding ring is on the wrong hand.

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Reply #34 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 8:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 8:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

A fake beard and sunnies do a good job of concealing a person's identity. As do face masks - which are of course not banned in France.

Did someone say sunnies & a beard?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EE5yoA_Mz8E/T56w0A4GOGI/AAAAAAAABxU/norRGJXV-1o/s400/U...

His wedding ring is on the wrong hand.

Get the shaver for Gandalf. Grin

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100476	Re: Ban beards to control Muslims Reply #35 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 9:11pm Dang, Bobbie, any man in Karnal County worth a damn wears himself a beard. Judge, preacher, undertaker. One thing’s for sure. I ain’t never seen a niggra with whiskers on his chin.
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Reply #36 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 9:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

When you're attempting to win the support of a rebellious population, Bobby which do you think is more effective? Something which reduces resentment or something that increases it?

Which do you think ruthlessness will do? Roll Eyes

Saddam was absolutely ruthless with them -
mass executions of tens of 1000s in the Iraqi desert - etc.

He had them well under control with a secular state until his country was invaded.

His control was at the best of times precarious and large swathes of his nation's countryside was not directly under his control because of his ruthlessness, Bobby.

Ruthlessness works in the short term but it will not stop the breeding of resentment and resentment is what drives rebellion. This is counter-insurgency theory at its most basic level. The objective is to win the "hearts and minds" of the populace to support you, not the rebels/insurgents/militants/terrorists/etc. Roll Eyes

I do not agree with you. Complacency only leads to contempt. Muslims hold the west in contempt and you are complacent.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 45853	Re: Ban beards to control Muslims Reply #37 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 11:06pm Adamant wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 9:26pm: I do not agree with you. Complacency only leads to contempt. Muslims hold the west in contempt and you are complacent. Really? And how do you come to that conclusion, Adamant? You going to accuse me of being a Muslim next?
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Reply #38 - Aug 21^st, 2014 at 11:13pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 9:11pm:

Dang, Bobbie, any man in Karnal County worth a damn wears himself a beard. Judge, preacher, undertaker.

One thing’s for sure. I ain’t never seen a niggra with whiskers on his chin.

I betta get me a shave too.

I mean look at my avatar - it's a bit long.

Them there niggras will doose what they is told.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Ban beards to control Muslims Reply #39 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 10:27am Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 9:11pm: Dang, Bobbie, any man in Karnal County worth a damn wears himself a beard. Judge, preacher, undertaker. Can I be the Undertaker? Must be the easiest job in Karnal County! Everybody 'round here digs 'em own, all the time!
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Reply #40 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 12:38pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 10:27am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 9:11pm:

Dang, Bobbie, any man in Karnal County worth a damn wears himself a beard. Judge, preacher, undertaker.

Can I be the Undertaker? Must be the easiest job in Karnal County! Everybody 'round here digs 'em own, all the time! Grin

Undertaker just cuts down white folk and puts em in a box.

Them niggras take care of their own. Ain't no niggras buried in Karnal County, no sir. We's Christian folk in this town.

You want my reckoning, easiest job in Karnal County's judge. Every man's guilty. Judge just has to give the say-so.

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Reply #41 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 12:47pm

Team Murdoch wrote on Aug 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

They will fix the Muslim problem up easily.

The are more Muslims in China than there are people in Australia. There are 36,000 mosques in China.

In fact, China was run largely by Muslims for centuries.

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Song Dynasty

By the time of the Song Dynasty, Muslims had come to play a major role in the import/export industry. The office of Director General of Shipping was consistently held by a Muslim during this period...

Yuan Dynasty

During the Mongol-founded Yuan Dynasty (1271–1368), large numbers of Muslims settled in China...Hundreds of thousands of Muslims immigrants were recruited and forcibly relocated from Western and Central Asia by the Mongols to help them administer their rapidly expanding empire.The Mongols used Persian, Arab and Buddhist Uyghur administrators, generically known as semu [色目]("various eye color") to act as officers of taxation and finance. Muslims headed many corporations in China in the early Yuan period. Muslim scholars were brought to work on calendar making and astronomy. The architect Yeheidie'erding (Amir al-Din) learned from Han architecture and helped to design the construction of the capital of the Yuan Dynasty, Dadu, otherwise known as Khanbaliq or Khanbaligh, the predecessor of present-day Beijing...

Ming Dynasty

During the following Ming Dynasty, Muslims continued to be influential around government circles. Six of Ming Dynasty founder Zhu Yuanzhang's most trusted generals are said to have been Muslim, including Lan Yu who, in 1388, led a strong imperial Ming army out of the Great Wall and won a decisive victory over the Mongols in Mongolia, effectively ending the Mongol dream to re-conquer China. Zhu Yuanzhang also wrote a praise of Islam, the The Hundred-word Eulogy. It was recorded that "His Majesty ordered to have mosques built in Xijing and Nanjing [the capital cities], and in southern Yunnan, Fujian and Guangdong. His Majesty also personally wrote baizizan [a eulogy] in praise of the Prophet's virtues."...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

Muslims only make up 1.6% of the population in China, are they around 1.8% of the population in Australia?

So what happened to the large muslim population in China, does banning those under 18 from entering mosques reduce the level of Islamic brainwashing in their society?

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Proselytizing is only permitted in private settings or within registered houses of worship.Proselytization in public,in unregistered churches or temples,or by foreigners is prohibited.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_China

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Ban beards to control Muslims Reply #42 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm Baron, I'd be interested in your views on this: do you support banning mosques in Australia? do you support banning long beards in Australia?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 116215 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ban beards to control Muslims Reply #43 - Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 5:15pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm: Baron, I'd be interested in your views on this: do you support banning mosques in Australia? do you support banning long beards in Australia? Just shave it off would ya.
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Reply #44 - Aug 23^rd, 2014 at 5:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm:

Baron, I'd be interested in your views on this:

do you support banning mosques in Australia?

do you support banning long beards in Australia?

Well Gandalf it depends on whether you consider Islam as a religion or political ideology, the Islamic state shows Islam is a political ideology,Iran is also evidence of Islam being a political ideology.
Kishori Saran Lal was the first to do statistics on Islamic texts, he puts it at 63% political ideology and only 37% religion.

It would have to be redefined as a political ideology for it to be banned, believing in fairy tales is considered a human right.

I like what the Chinese have done in banning those under 18 from entering mosques, that still fits in with human rights, teaching children religious fairy tales is child abuse IMO.

As for Islamic beards they should be a fist length from the chin which is hardly a long beard, does that bum fluff in your avatar qualify as a beard?

I dont support banning beards,some asked me if i was growing a beard years ago i said no i have just stopped shaving.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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