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Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:58pm
 
Christians flee Iraq's Mosul after Islamists tell them: convert, pay or die
Iraqi Christians leave city en masse after Islamist militants threatened to kill them unless they converted to Islam or paid a 'protection tax'

Christian families streamed out of the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Saturday after Islamist fighters said they would be killed if they did not pay a protection tax or convert to Islam.

“For the first time in the history of Iraq, Mosul is now empty of Christians,” Patriarch Louis Sako lamented as hundreds of families fled ahead of a noon deadline set by Islamic State for them to submit or leave.

The warning was read out in Mosul’s mosques on Friday afternoon, and broadcast throughout the city on loudspeakers.

“We offer [Christians] three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract - involving payment... if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” the announcement read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10977698/Christians-fl...

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Re: Mosul Christians told to pay or die
Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:00pm
 
brumbie wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
Christians flee Iraq's Mosul after Islamists tell them: convert, pay or die
Iraqi Christians leave city en masse after Islamist militants threatened to kill them unless they converted to Islam or paid a 'protection tax'

Christian families streamed out of the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Saturday after Islamist fighters said they would be killed if they did not pay a protection tax or convert to Islam.

“For the first time in the history of Iraq, Mosul is now empty of Christians,” Patriarch Louis Sako lamented as hundreds of families fled ahead of a noon deadline set by Islamic State for them to submit or leave.

The warning was read out in Mosul’s mosques on Friday afternoon, and broadcast throughout the city on loudspeakers.

“We offer [Christians] three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract - involving payment... if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” the announcement read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10977698/Christians-fl...

Aahhhhhhh!! The religion of peace. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm
 
Or could it be that ISIS are a bunch of raving loonies?

If this was the fault of Islam how come there were Christians still living in Mosul a thousand+ years after the Muslims conquered the place originally?

Not real good there on logic are you Matty?   Or you just ignore it to troll.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Or could it be that ISIS are a bunch of raving loonies?

If this was the fault of Islam how come there were Christians still living in Mosul a thousand+ years after the Muslims conquered the place originally?

Not real good there on logic are you Matty?   Or you just ignore it to troll.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
There lives must be absolute bliss. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss
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Reply #4 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:52pm
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Or could it be that ISIS are a bunch of raving loonies?

If this was the fault of Islam how come there were Christians still living in Mosul a thousand+ years after the Muslims conquered the place originally?

Not real good there on logic are you Matty?   Or you just ignore it to troll.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
There lives must be absolute bliss. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss


It must have been OK before the raving loony faction took over, 'cause they've been there for a millennia Matty.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:57pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Or could it be that ISIS are a bunch of raving loonies?

If this was the fault of Islam how come there were Christians still living in Mosul a thousand+ years after the Muslims conquered the place originally?

Not real good there on logic are you Matty?   Or you just ignore it to troll.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
There lives must be absolute bliss. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss


It must have been OK before the raving loony faction took over, 'cause they've been there for a millennia Matty.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
Who gets treated worse- Copts,  Syrian Christians or Iraqi Christians. All treated like crap by the religion of peace. The Lebanese Christians had to have a civil war to get their rights. The Jews in these places had to leave town. Oh the level of tolerance from the "religion of peace" makes me want to weep a river of joyous tears. Cry Cry Cry Cry
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Reply #6 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:38pm
 
You're not listening to Hot Breath. The fact that they did not get wiped out 1000 years ago proves that Islam is the true religion of peace. You can't argue with logic.
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Reply #7 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:52pm
 
Only if America didn't invade.
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freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:38pm:
You're not listening to Hot Breath. The fact that they did not get wiped out 1000 years ago proves that Islam is the true religion of peace. You can't argue with logic.


Interesting to see you agreeing with HB, FD.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 8:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:38pm:
You're not listening to Hot Breath. The fact that they did not get wiped out 1000 years ago proves that Islam is the true religion of peace. You can't argue with logic.


Why would you wipe out people who are filling the city's coffers with extorted money?

Putting it another way, why would you kill the bunnies who are laying the golden eggs?

If they had refused to pay the tithe ~ they would have been put to the sword.

Christians surviving there for a thousand years is to the discredit of Islam for this survival having been conditional upon them submitting to criminal extortion.



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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:45am
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 3:49pm:
Or could it be that ISIS are a bunch of raving loonies?

If this was the fault of Islam how come there were Christians still living in Mosul a thousand+ years after the Muslims conquered the place originally?

Not real good there on logic are you Matty?   Or you just ignore it to troll.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
There lives must be absolute bliss. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss


It must have been OK before the raving loony faction took over, 'cause they've been there for a millennia Matty.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
Who gets treated worse- Copts,  Syrian Christians or Iraqi Christians. All treated like crap by the religion of peace. The Lebanese Christians had to have a civil war to get their rights. The Jews in these places had to leave town. Oh the level of tolerance from the "religion of peace" makes me want to weep a river of joyous tears. Cry Cry Cry Cry


I've always understood that the Lebanese civil war was a three way struggle and was primarily about all three factions trying to assert their control over the other two.  The Christians had the same rights as the Muslims as the Druze but the invasion by Israel upset the balance and tipped it over the edge.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:57am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 8:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:38pm:
You're not listening to Hot Breath. The fact that they did not get wiped out 1000 years ago proves that Islam is the true religion of peace. You can't argue with logic.


Why would you wipe out people who are filling the city's coffers with extorted money?

Putting it another way, why would you kill the bunnies who are laying the golden eggs?

If they had refused to pay the tithe ~ they would have been put to the sword.

Christians surviving there for a thousand years is to the discredit of Islam for this survival having been conditional upon them submitting to criminal extortion.


So how did the Jizya begin?

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When allah's messenger had conquered Khaibar, he wanted to expel the jews from it as its land became the property of allah,his apostle (good to be the profit) and the muslims.

Allahs messenger intended to expel the jews but they requested him to let them stay on the condition they would do the labor and get half of the fruits.

Allahs messenger told them we will let you stay on thus condition as long as we wish, so the jews kept on living there until Umar forced them to go.

www.sunnah.com/bukhari/41/19


The jews were light years ahead of the muslims with agriculture back then and still are today.

The first recorded payments of Jizya were 50% of your wealth!

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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:40pm
 
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The first recorded payments of Jizya were 50% of your wealth!


Actually it was 100% of their wealth (land, stock, possessions etc) and 50% of their ongoing labours on an indefinite basis (ie what they could grow).

Obviously, the fact that Muhammed did not simply slaughter or expel them all (like he did with previous Jewish tribes) proves that Islam is the true religion of peace.
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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:51pm
 
brumbie wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
“We offer [Christians] three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract - involving payment... if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” the announcement read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10977698/Christians-fl...




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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:09pm
 
True story:

Before Stalin came to power the Russian Orthodox church had thousands of their priests spread out across the length and breadth of Mother Russia.

These priests performed two functions ~ one for the Csar and one for the church.

For the Csar they spied on the people and kept the ruling elite fully informed as to  the mood of the people and what was being said at social gatherings.

And for the church they collected a yearly compulsory tithe from even the poorest of peasants.

It didn't matter if a tithe collection left a peasant family with nothing to eat for the winter ~ guaranteeing starvation ~ their scant reserves were taken by force.

And then Stalin came to power with the consequence that thousands of priests across Russia were brutally murdered by the peasantry ~ at which Stalin was furious because he wanted to use these same priests as a spy network throughout the vast regions of Russia.

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