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PM Abbott a habitial liar.
Jul 1^st, 2014 at 6:19pm

"Prime Minister Tony Abbott has again expressed concerns about the renewable energy target (RET), saying it drives up power prices and threatens Australian companies and households." Sky-News.

Known by Abbott is that RET promotes the use of dirt cheap renewable energy, as opposed to the horrendous monetary and environmental costs that come with burning millions of tonnes of Coalition Coal.

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: PM Abbott a habitial liar. Reply #1 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 6:22pm Threatens against what ... projected cheaper electricity prices in the future. We can't have the conservative's puppet masters unhappy now can we.
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fractalign Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 254 Gender:	Re: PM Abbott a habitial liar. Reply #2 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:25pm Abbott a habitual liar ? wow who would have thought ? He is also a politician and in this day and age the two seem to go hand in hand !
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: PM Abbott a habitial liar. Reply #3 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up...
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: PM Abbott a habitial liar. Reply #4 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:33pm Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm: Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Renewables now cheaper than coal and gas in Australia http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/renewables-now-cheaper-than-coal-and-gas-in-aust...
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Reply #5 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

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Reply #6 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

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Reply #7 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:43pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

and yet the figures show that renewables are cheaper to produce than coal and gas .... Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #8 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:45pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

Complete nonsense. Renewables are the cheaper alternative, the fact is the power suppliers havent changed their business model and want the consumers to pay for it, they should have been investing in a small scale distribution network 20 years ago but were happy to reap the profits back then without investing in the future. Thats their fault, not the consumers. basically, at the moment they want to supply the consumer a product we dont need any more and want us to pay for it.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: PM Abbott a habitial liar. Reply #9 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:51pm Who would have thought having zero fuel costs would be cheaper in the long term? Obviously a considerable number sadly.
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Reply #10 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:56pm

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

Complete nonsense. Renewables are the cheaper alternative, the fact is the power suppliers havent changed their business model and want the consumers to pay for it, they should have been investing in a small scale distribution network 20 years ago but were happy to reap the profits back then without investing in the future. Thats their fault, not the consumers. basically, at the moment they want to supply the consumer a product we dont need any more and want us to pay for it.

If you don't know that facts Ian best you stfu.
Electricity prices have gone up a great deal due to Green policies over the last 10 years. I suggest "complete nonsense" is a great big lie.

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Reply #11 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:13pm

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

Complete nonsense. Renewables are the cheaper alternative, the fact is the power suppliers havent changed their business model and want the consumers to pay for it, they should have been investing in a small scale distribution network 20 years ago but were happy to reap the profits back then without investing in the future. Thats their fault, not the consumers. basically, at the moment they want to supply the consumer a product we dont need any more and want us to pay for it.

Legislation current. 80% all electricity come from Coal. Only such competition when and where Government decides at the time shall occur.

To date no Coal competition. Coal only 24/7 power.

Government subsidy paid to select group.

Monies to convert in line with $2 Billion investment Carbon Capture seized by Government ever since!

Coal business Political protection swept aside the free market, ever since the gifting of Carbon Capture Energy in 2007. Two year head start on the world.

CO2 and Steam will do the same thing, generate electricity.

Steam power of 200 bar for 350 megawatts is +600*C.

CO2 power of 200 bar for 350 megawatts is +50*C

CO2 power of 10,000 bar is +100*C.

240 tonne per hour Carbon emission +600*C Steam.

800 Kilo's, Steam replaced with CO2.

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Reply #12 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

and yet the figures show that renewables are cheaper to produce than coal and gas .... Cheesy

The ABC...
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It is clear that the RET adds to the cost of household electricity bills. The amount varies from state to state and depends on the conditions set by regulatory bodies.

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Reply #13 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:17pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:56pm:

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

Complete nonsense. Renewables are the cheaper alternative, the fact is the power suppliers havent changed their business model and want the consumers to pay for it, they should have been investing in a small scale distribution network 20 years ago but were happy to reap the profits back then without investing in the future. Thats their fault, not the consumers. basically, at the moment they want to supply the consumer a product we dont need any more and want us to pay for it.

If you don't know that facts Ian best you stfu.
Electricity prices have gone up a great deal due to Green policies over the last 10 years. I suggest "complete nonsense" is a great big lie.

Electricity prices have gone up due to "poles and wires" investment by the electricity generators.

They’ve spent this money despite demand going down by 15%. This investment has added 100% to the cost of electricity supply. The carbon tax has added 9%. The renewable target is not even factored in to the price hikes. It’s believed to be less than a percent.

Demand has gone down by 15% because people are installing solar panels, which power their homes during sunlight hours.

Electricity will continue to rise as solar panels get cheaper and people convert to renewable energy - because it’s cheaper.

Coal has not risen in price, but electricity infrastructure continues to be laid down.

Solar power is free. The heartland of solar power is Western Sydney, not because it’s "renewable", but because it’s cheap.

The coal-fired power plants’ days are numbered, despite the subsidies provided by all governments.

This is only a political issue because Labor and the Libs have turned it into one. This is an economic issue. The technology is changing. The sun and wind are free.

The Libs favouring coal is no different to Labor propping up a car industry, dead on its knees.

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Reply #14 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:39pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:17pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:56pm:

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Renewables aren't cheap and they have driven the price of electricty up... Cheesy

no, greedy company executives have driven the price of electricity up ...... and as they lose market share to renewables they will need to keep driving up prices to maintain their profit levels ... it's just not sustainable long term no matter how hard they try or how much govt. props them up.

You idiot, renewable energy prices are driving prices up. It costs more for the electricity companies to produce electricity that way. The fact they are also paying many people above market prices for putting electricity into the grid is also putting up prices. Those of us without the means to afford solar arrays are in fact subsidising those who can by paying higher prices and paying for their above market rate rebates.

Complete nonsense. Renewables are the cheaper alternative, the fact is the power suppliers havent changed their business model and want the consumers to pay for it, they should have been investing in a small scale distribution network 20 years ago but were happy to reap the profits back then without investing in the future. Thats their fault, not the consumers. basically, at the moment they want to supply the consumer a product we dont need any more and want us to pay for it.

If you don't know that facts Ian best you stfu.
Electricity prices have gone up a great deal due to Green policies over the last 10 years. I suggest "complete nonsense" is a great big lie.

Electricity prices have gone up due to "poles and wires" investment by the electricity generators.

They’ve spent this money despite demand going down by 15%. This investment has added 100% to the cost of electricity supply. The carbon tax has added 9%. The renewable target is not even factored in to the price hikes. It’s believed to be less than a percent.

Demand has gone down by 15% because people are installing solar panels, which power their homes during sunlight hours.

Electricity will continue to rise as solar panels get cheaper and people convert to renewable energy - because it’s cheaper.

Coal has not risen in price, but electricity infrastructure continues to be laid down.

Solar power is free. The heartland of solar power is Western Sydney, not because it’s "renewable", but because it’s cheap.

The coal-fired power plants’ days are numbered, despite the subsidies provided by all governments.

This is only a political issue because Labor and the Libs have turned it into one. This is an economic issue. The technology is changing. The sun and wind are free.

The Libs favouring coal is no different to Labor propping up a car industry, dead on its knees.

No different in that it be a wrong. That people have to buy solar and batteries for part time power or pay for Coal which is cut back on because of Government tax. That its Greg Hunt who now conceals that given to the people, so to stop their use of! +20*C room temperature silent power supply 24/7!

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