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Reply #30 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:29am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Do you want the opposition to get out of the way the same way the last opposition got out of the way for the last 6 years.

The last opposition said no to anything and everything for the last 6 years

NO THEY DID NOT>.. something like 85% of legislation was passed....maybe even more...

get your facts right sunshine.

All the legislation was pass by a minority government in the lower house, so the government had to negotiate with the independents to get it pass in the HoR then it pass in the senate with the greens supporting it.

So it had nothing to do with the liberal party.

If the liberal supporting the legislation back then why are they repealing it all now or not funding it at all.

So you get your facts right sunshine.

The Coalition never supported the carbon or mining taxes.

Thats not quite true because it was Howard who came up with the original carbon tax..the ETS.
And the Libs supported the ETS both parties went to the 2007 election proposing but pulled support when Andrew Robb escaped from the insane asylum he was banged up in and decided to install Abbott as leader.

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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #31 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:29am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Do you want the opposition to get out of the way the same way the last opposition got out of the way for the last 6 years.

The last opposition said no to anything and everything for the last 6 years

NO THEY DID NOT>.. something like 85% of legislation was passed....maybe even more...

get your facts right sunshine.

All the legislation was pass by a minority government in the lower house, so the government had to negotiate with the independents to get it pass in the HoR then it pass in the senate with the greens supporting it.

So it had nothing to do with the liberal party.

If the liberal supporting the legislation back then why are they repealing it all now or not funding it at all.

So you get your facts right sunshine.

The Coalition never supported the carbon or mining taxes.

the coalition didn't support anything that made the headlines ..... it was all the mundane housekeeping stuff, which is the majority of bills, that they supported

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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #32 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:33am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:16am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Do you want the opposition to get out of the way the same way the last opposition got out of the way for the last 6 years.

The last opposition said no to anything and everything for the last 6 years

NO THEY DID NOT>.. something like 85% of legislation was passed....maybe even more...

get your facts right sunshine.

Wasn't it Tony Abbott who said that it was the oppositions job to oppose the govts agenda?

"Oppositions are not there to get legislation through. Oppositions are there to hold the government to account. And unless we are confident that a piece of legislation is beyond reasonable doubt in the national interest, it is our duty as the Opposition to vote it down"

-Tony Abbott

http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/july/1372600800/waleed-aly/inside-tony-a...

And that's what the Coalition did. Records will show they said yes far more often than they said no. It seems otherwise because the no votes attracted more media attention.

These bills are known as "housekeeping"
They apply to public servants being paid, etc.

Abbott
blocked ( ... or delayed) pretty much every policy and reform
Labor
took to the election

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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #33 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:35am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Abbott has every right to get policy passed that he didn't lie about and that he went to the election promising but we all know that most of what he has before the parliament was not taken to the Australian people or are lies.

Not actually true. He has no "right". The only mandate comes from numbers, you have them, or you don't.

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Reply #34 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:39am

Kytro wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Abbott has every right to get policy passed that he didn't lie about and that he went to the election promising but we all know that most of what he has before the parliament was not taken to the Australian people or are lies.

Not actually true. He has no "right". The only mandate comes from numbers, you have them, or you don't.

I should have said "From my point of view..blah blah blah" Tongue

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Reply #35 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:14am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Do you want the opposition to get out of the way the same way the last opposition got out of the way for the last 6 years.

The last opposition said no to anything and everything for the last 6 years

NO THEY DID NOT>.. something like 85% of legislation was passed....maybe even more...

get your facts right sunshine.

Wasn't it Tony Abbott who said that it was the oppositions job to oppose the govts agenda?

No, he said the job of the Opposition was to oppose bad policy and facilitate good policy. It's not his fault that the previous Labor govt was a good-policy-free-zone!

So what are you complaining about?..Coz thats what Labor is doing Tongue

Labor's still a policy-free-zone, with nothing on offer but spite and anti-Abbott rhetoric.

And thats how it will stay until the front bench is changed

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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #36 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:55am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

Kytro wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Abbott has every right to get policy passed that he didn't lie about and that he went to the election promising but we all know that most of what he has before the parliament was not taken to the Australian people or are lies.

Not actually true. He has no "right". The only mandate comes from numbers, you have them, or you don't.

I should have said "From my point of view..blah blah blah" Tongue

I guess, but in the end numbers are all that matters. I have never liked the mandates argument, no matter who is using it because the same applies to every elected official. They have a mandate to pursue because they were elected as well.

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Reply #37 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 11:33am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Do you want the opposition to get out of the way the same way the last opposition got out of the way for the last 6 years.

The last opposition said no to anything and everything for the last 6 years

NO THEY DID NOT>.. something like 85% of legislation was passed....maybe even more...

get your facts right sunshine.

All the legislation was pass by a minority government in the lower house, so the government had to negotiate with the independents to get it pass in the HoR then it pass in the senate with the greens supporting it.

So it had nothing to do with the liberal party.

If the liberal supporting the legislation back then why are they repealing it all now or not funding it at all.

So you get your facts right sunshine.

The Coalition never supported the carbon or mining taxes.

Thats not quite true because it was Howard who came up with the original carbon tax..the ETS.
And the Libs supported the ETS both parties went to the 2007 election proposing but pulled support when Andrew Robb escaped from the insane asylum he was banged up in and decided to install Abbott as leader.

Obviously I was referring to the Abbott-lead Opposition.

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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #38 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Why doesn't the government wish for cost benefit analysis, armpit? Why do they want to avoid environmental impact studies, armpit? Something smells fishy, armpit.

Ask yourself the same of the NBN...

Scoring an own goal again armpit?

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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #39 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:35pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:14am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

cods wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

John S wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Do you want the opposition to get out of the way the same way the last opposition got out of the way for the last 6 years.

The last opposition said no to anything and everything for the last 6 years

NO THEY DID NOT>.. something like 85% of legislation was passed....maybe even more...

get your facts right sunshine.

Wasn't it Tony Abbott who said that it was the oppositions job to oppose the govts agenda?

No, he said the job of the Opposition was to oppose bad policy and facilitate good policy. It's not his fault that the previous Labor govt was a good-policy-free-zone!

So what are you complaining about?..Coz thats what Labor is doing Tongue

Labor's still a policy-free-zone, with nothing on offer but spite and anti-Abbott rhetoric.

And thats how it will stay until the front bench is changed

Are you two competing to see who can be the dumbest?

Because it sure seems like it...

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Reply #40 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:36pm

Quote:

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The government claimed its new infrastructure bill would allow fast-tracking of road projects for Western Sydney by allowing the government to make decisions on infrastructure without being "impeded by bureaucracy"

meaning ...

The government claimed its new infrastructure bill would allow fast-tracking of road projects for Western Sydney by allowing the government to make decisions on infrastructure without being

scrutinised on environmental impact

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21752 Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock! Reply #41 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:30pm What budgetary measures did the Coalition force or attempt to force changes to in the Labor Government?
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock! Reply #42 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:47pm lee wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:30pm: What budgetary measures did the Coalition force or attempt to force changes to in the Labor Government? Means-testing the Medicare rebate, for one. Even the righties who wouldn't have come near to being affected screamed like stuck pigs.
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Re: Bill Shorten's policy roadblock!
Reply #43 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:54pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Why doesn't the government wish for cost benefit analysis, armpit? Why do they want to avoid environmental impact studies, armpit? Something smells fishy, armpit.

Ask yourself the same of the NBN...

Scoring an own goal again armpit?

I don't see how - there WAS no CBA done on the NBN.

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Reply #44 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 3:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 5:24am:

When will you realise, Shorty, that you and that turd Milne are no longer the ones in office?

Why doesn't the government wish for cost benefit analysis, armpit? Why do they want to avoid environmental impact studies, armpit? Something smells fishy, armpit.

Ask yourself the same of the NBN...

Scoring an own goal again armpit?

I don't see how - there WAS no CBA done on the NBN.

so why would a party that was SO adament about CBA done on any government project now trying to pass legislation that allows them to ignore CBA on their infrastructure projects?

Sounds like you were scoring an own goal

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