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Reply #46 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:24pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything.

Some on this forum say he has no mandates. Without checking cos the search function here sux I thought you might be one of them.

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Reply #47 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:26pm

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The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything.

That is correct. Abbott went on and on and on every day for three years about what he very effectively described as a Gillard lie on a single issue.....yet he seems to think he can lie on multiple issues and just bluff his way through as though no-one will notice.

Nah.

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Reply #48 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:28pm

Datalife wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

The key for all parties is to remind Australians constantly about how tony has overstepped his mandates, and his clear lying on just about everything.

Some on this forum say he has no mandates. Without checking cos the search function here sux I thought you might be one of them.

That's what you choose to play with? Ok mr. "I think I understand mandates", tell me: did tony have a mandate to deregulate university fees, introduce a co payment for gp visits and make eligibility changes to the disability pension, and change payment increases on aged pensions? What about the newstart changes? Under 30 unemployment benefit changes? Abbots point?
For a guy who believes so much in mandates, tony sure as hell forgot to obtain them for his true political agenda.

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Reply #49 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:30pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:58pm:

MOTR wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

For those of us who have lost hope, Aussie, and have no idea how Abbott was planning to legislate his climate change policy, can you explain the intricacies of his planned legislation.

'They' will meet down the Australia Club, shake hands, have a very expensive meal on some one's tax payer funded expense account, have drinks (ditto), and divvy up the corporate welfare (Direct Action), agree to pay some dodgy invoices into a LNP illegal slush fund, have drinks (ditto), have cigars (ditto), shake hands, and go home with a Big Woodie knowing that if they can shag Australia then they are virile enough to get laid tonight as well.

Easy, LNP politics in a nut shell.

Easy. You’ve just summed up a century of politics.

Superb.

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Reply #51 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:41pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Would be interesting to see if labor, greens and PUP can agree on a true floating price ETS.
Tony would truly be left in the wilderness as his climate change policies would be left in complete tatters, and his support base continues to diminish.

Isn't that why Palmer has said....'Let's start at zero?'

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Reply #52 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:46pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Ok, someone explain: how in the hell does a $0 ETS WORK?

It goes something like setting the Carbon Tax at $0... you set the per tonne rate at $0... as for the rest you'll have to ask Clive, I believe he also thinks the price of electricity is also under federal government control Roll Eyes

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Reply #53 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:51pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. Wink

Dunno whether it is as simple as that. He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.

Actually it is all ALP Policy... remove carbon tax and adopt an ETS. It is also Malcolm policy.

It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.

they are against it...

That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.

Nope. abbott was right, ordinarily a tax is easier to remove. However Clive's policy is not as simple as it's been portrayed. The detail being he wants it to be set at $0 until all other major "polluters" have such a scheme running themselves.

So, where does Abbott go from here. It was his Policy taken to the election, that there will be Direct Action to replace the Carbon Tax. Palmer has said 'nah' to that.

Wedged beautifully. Over to you Mr Abbott.

It's not a wedge... it's deliberate obstruction. Against the majority will of the people.
Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do?

The majority of people did not elect a liberal majority in both houses. This is how the cards have been dealt and pup has every right to bring forth their policies for debate. Just like the senate has every right to review lower house legislation in the interest of their represented states. I dunno about ur state, but I don't wish to see victoria pay direct action tax for other states with higher carbon intensive industries.

Doesn't alter the fact about how much vote PUP got compared to any other party though does it or the government.
There is no DA tax... unless you just made on up or they altered their policy... please provide a link to the info.

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Reply #54 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

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Who the hell does Palmer and his party, who on a poofteenth percent of the vote think they are and have the right to do?

Only days before the 1st July, reality finally hits home. I'll tell you what we think we are Grendel. The Party which has yours by the gonads. (It's like that bloke in the Dentist's chair with the Dentist hovering over him with the drill in hand. Bloke grabs the Dentist by the balls, and says....'We won't hurt each other, will we?)

If Labor and Greens stand against Abbott (and it seems they generally do) you will need to come cap in hand to us.

Eat it.

Does Clive know?

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Reply #55 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:14pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Ok, someone explain: how in the hell does a $0 ETS WORK?

It goes something like setting the Carbon Tax at $0... you set the per tonne rate at $0... as for the rest you'll have to ask Clive, I believe he also thinks the price of electricity is also under federal government control Roll Eyes

Why not Greg Hunt explain?

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Reply #56 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:10pm

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

Palmer is a frantic child. He is desperate for Parliament to throw him a lifeline and stop the Chinese taking everything has got! A process already well under way!

Each time the liberal and nationals say no to keeping the Chinese away from him he throws stomps his feet at at them.

Gets his photo in today's paper and is gone tomorrow. Only Palmer thinks he's a somebody.

Pig Ugly Party Senators hold the balance of power only in their dreams.

They will be permanently sidelined in the Senate.

They "share" the balance of power with the ALP and Greens

Incorrect. In limited voting block PUP holds the three needed votes. The odds of them ever being needed are highly unlikely!

Liberal/National Party             33
Australian Labor Party             25
Australian Greens                   10
Palmer United Party                3
Democratic Labour Party          1
Nick Xenophon ..                      1
Liberal Democratic Party          1
Family First .                            1
Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party .. 1

If and only if the Greens and ALP oppose.

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Reply #57 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:15pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

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Doesn't alter the fact about how much vote PUP got compared to any other party though does it or the government.
There is no DA tax... unless you just made on up or they altered their policy... please provide a link to the info.

What you are missing is it isn't PUP holding the government to ransom, it is the ALP, Greens and PUP, who together got more votes in the senate.

They need the others to do this. Clive is actually conceding more than they are.

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Reply #58 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. Wink

Dunno whether it is as simple as that. He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.

It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.

That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.

How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS?

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Reply #59 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:16pm

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Clive is taking revenge on the Mad Monk and the LNP as slowly and painfully as he can. Wink

Dunno whether it is as simple as that. He's let Abbott off the hook on the repeal of the carbon tax, but has adopted what is really ALP Policy on an ETS, and he will not allow the Climate Authority to be rubbed out.

It wedges Abbott on his commitment to Direct Action which Palmer won't support, neither will Labor, and I dunno about the Greens.

That sounds like good policy rather than revenge.

How would the climate authority be financed without an ETS?

that's tony's problem: he's the one intent on getting rid of the carbon tax.

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