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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #60 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:17am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

It's a matter of personal choice, but it should be kept totally as a personal thing and not pushed on others.

Just like Atheism...

Well atheism isn't a belief system. It's a lack of a belief in a god/s. A (without), theism (belief in the existence of a god or gods).

Now there are some movements like new atheism, and some groups of anti-theists that have specific values of course, some of them like the anti-theist do advocate getting rid of religion altogether.

Doesn't stop them from shoving Atheism down the throats of others though does it...

Really? Who is them? I have never seen a government trying to shove atheism down the kiddies throats but I have seen them try to shove bible bashing down the kiddies gobs, not to mention the kiddy fiddlers that represent the church. Roll Eyes

Atheists Skippy I was talking about Atheists... lots of them like shoving it down peoples throats just like the God botherers do.

They come knocking on your door on Sunday mornings, do they?

http://tysonadams.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/atheist-evanglizing-door-knocking....

To be a truly successful pedant you need a good memory some knowledge and be able to read. You keep failing... or You don't know what a God Botherer is. Cheesy

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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #61 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:21am

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

What makes you think it contradicts the Bible?

it does nothing but !

Really?
Show once again dear troll how illiterate and ignorant you are.
I know many religious people who think it does nothing of the sort.
I happen to agree with them, but then they and I am not fundamentalists.
You fit into the fundamentalist mold. Cheesy

fundamentalist mould? Grin

nice try Gretel

About how long ago would you say god created Adam & Eve, Grendel? According to the bible the most it can be is about 5000 yrs ago ... and yet we have fossils dating back much further than that ... if you don't think thats a contradiction I don't know what is

Like I said you have the true Fundie mentality.

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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #62 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:23am

Tony wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:

The bible is a nonsense. Most of the OT was written as a propaganda tract when the Assyrians were besieging Jerusalem having conquered the rest of Israel. The OT was written 2 generations after the events it supposedly chronicles.

And is self contradictory. And full of hate.

Yes, do unto others as you would have them do unto you and turn the other cheek, etc... are truly hateful teachings, Tanya.
Back to scripture classes for you Cheesy

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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #63 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:26am

vikaryan wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 8:18am:

“[…] You probably think the Inquisition was a perversion of the ‘true’ spirit of Christianity. Perhaps it was. The problem, however, is that the teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. You are, of course, free to interpret the Bible differently—though isn’t it amazing that you have succeeded in discerning the true teachings of Christianity, while the most influential thinkers in the history of your faith failed?”

— Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation (2006)

Honestly.... PERHAPS IT WAS???????
I wouldn't bother putting this guy or his thoughts forth if he's not sure about something that is patently true.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Religion has no place in public life Reply #64 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:29am vikaryan wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 8:49am: adults shouldn't have IMAGINARY FRIENDS I imagine IMAGINARY will take some proving. A typical atheist saying BTW. Christians often say they don't know and the real test of Christianity is FAITH.
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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #65 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:02am

Grendel wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

vikaryan wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

adults shouldn't have IMAGINARY FRIENDS

I imagine IMAGINARY will take some proving.
A typical atheist saying BTW.
Christians often say they don't know and the real test of Christianity is FAITH.

rubbish... Christians say they know BECAUSE of their faith ... not the other way around .,.. I've never heard any religious person say they don't know that a god really exists ..

where do you come up with this crap Grendel? Seriously?

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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #66 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:04am

Grendel wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:

What makes you think it contradicts the Bible?

it does nothing but !

Really?
Show once again dear troll how illiterate and ignorant you are.
I know many religious people who think it does nothing of the sort.
I happen to agree with them, but then they and I am not fundamentalists.
You fit into the fundamentalist mold. Cheesy

fundamentalist mould? Grin

nice try Gretel

About how long ago would you say god created Adam & Eve, Grendel? According to the bible the most it can be is about 5000 yrs ago ... and yet we have fossils dating back much further than that ... if you don't think thats a contradiction I don't know what is

Like I said you have the true Fundie mentality.

are you still pretending the bible and science aren't contradictory Grendel?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Religion has no place in public life Reply #67 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:23am ... wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 9:42am: Maybe so, but I can guarantee that some of your most deepest held beliefs are equally nonsensical. A good argument against assessing beliefs on basis of conviction.
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austranger Gold Member Offline Opinionated Sod Posts: 1506 adelaide Gender:	Re: Religion has no place in public life Reply #68 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:45am Excremental Religion:
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vikaryan Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 453 Gender:	Re: Religion has no place in public life Reply #69 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:00pm RELIGION A Tool Invented By The Powerful To Control The Stupid
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Re: Religion has no place in public life
Reply #70 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:36pm

austranger wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Excremental Religion:

A slightly more expanded version (including some other ideas):

Taoism: sh!t happens.
Confucianism: Confucius say, "sh!t happens."
Buddhism: If sh!t happens, it isn't really sh!t.
Zen Buddhism: sh!t is, and is not.
Zen Buddhism #2: What is the sound of sh!t happening?
Hinduism: This sh!t has happened before.
Islam: If sh!t happens, it is the will of Allah.
Islam #2: If sh!t happens, kill the person responsible.
Islam #3: If sh!t happens, blame Israel.
Catholicism: If sh!t happens, you deserve it.
Protestantism: Let sh!t happen to someone else.
Presbyterian: This sh!t was bound to happen.
Episcopalian: It's not so bad if sh!t happens, as long as you serve the right wine with it.
Methodist: It's not so bad if sh!t happens, as long as you serve grape juice with it.
Congregationalist: sh!t that happens to one person is just as good as sh!t that happens to another.
Unitarian: sh!t that happens to one person is just as bad as sh!t that happens to another.
Lutheran: If sh!t happens, don't talk about it.
Fundamentalism: If sh!t happens, you will go to hell, unless you are born again. (Amen!)
Fundamentalism #2: If sh!t happens to a televangelist, it's okay.
Fundamentalism #3: sh!t must be born again.
Judaism: Why does this sh!t always happen to us?
Calvinism: sh!t happens because you don't work.
Seventh Day Adventism: No sh!t shall happen on Saturday.
Creationism: God made all sh!t.
Secular Humanism: sh!t evolves.
Christian Science: When sh!t happens, don't call a doctor - pray!
Christian Science #2: sh!t happening is all in your mind.
Unitarianism: Come let us reason together about this sh!t.
Quakers: Let us not fight over this sh!t.
Utopianism: This sh!t does not stink.
Darwinism: This sh!t was once food.
Capitalism: That's MY sh!t.
Communism: It's everybody's sh!t.
Feminism: Men are sh!t.
Chauvinism: We may be sh!t, but you can't live without us...
Commercialism: Let's package this sh!t.
Impressionism: From a distance, sh!t looks like a garden.
Idolism: Let's bronze this sh!t.
Existentialism: sh!t doesn't happen; sh!t IS.
Existentialism #2: What is sh!t, anyway?
Stoicism: This sh!t is good for me.
Hedonism: There is nothing like a good sh!t happening!
Mormonism: God sent us this sh!t.
Mormonism #2: This sh!t is going to happen again.
Wiccan: An it harm none, let sh!t happen.
Scientology: If sh!t happens, see "Dianetics", p.157.
Jehovah's Witnesses: >Knock< >Knock< sh!t happens.
Jehovah's Witnesses #2: May we have a moment of your time to show you some of our sh!t?
Jehovah's Witnesses #3: sh!t has been prophesied and is imminent; only the righteous shall survive its happening.
Moonies: Only really happy sh!t happens.
Hare Krishna: sh!t happens, rama rama.
Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this sh!t!
Zoroastrianism: sh!t happens half on the time.
Church of SubGenius: BoB runs.
Practical: Deal with sh!t one day at a time.
Agnostic: sh!t might have happened; then again, maybe not.
Agnostic #2: Did someone sh!t?
Agnostic #3: What is this sh!t?
Satanism: SNEPPAH TIHS.
Atheism: What sh!t?
Atheism #2: I can't believe this sh!t!
Nihilism: No sh!t.
Narcisism: I am the sh!t!

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Reply #71 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

“With regard to Popper’s insistence on continuing to search, surely enough is enough. My years of mental turmoil before managing to rid myself of childhood theistic indoctrination entailed sufficient search – through thinking, reading, listening and debating – to last me for life. We are not expected to keep a lifelong open mind on such hypotheses as the existence of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, so why should an exception be made in the case of God? That hypothesis, like those other stories for children, is merely asserted, without due evidence, by dissembling, or deluded, authorities.”

— Existence | Issue 102 | Philosophy Now

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Reply #72 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 1:32pm

Kytro wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

austranger wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Excremental Religion:

A slightly more expanded version (including some other ideas):

Taoism: sh!t happens.
Confucianism: Confucius say, "sh!t happens."
Buddhism: If sh!t happens, it isn't really sh!t.
Zen Buddhism: sh!t is, and is not.
Zen Buddhism #2: What is the sound of sh!t happening?
Hinduism: This sh!t has happened before.
Islam: If sh!t happens, it is the will of Allah.
Islam #2: If sh!t happens, kill the person responsible.
Islam #3: If sh!t happens, blame Israel.
Catholicism: If sh!t happens, you deserve it.
Protestantism: Let sh!t happen to someone else.
Presbyterian: This sh!t was bound to happen.
Episcopalian: It's not so bad if sh!t happens, as long as you serve the right wine with it.
Methodist: It's not so bad if sh!t happens, as long as you serve grape juice with it.
Congregationalist: sh!t that happens to one person is just as good as sh!t that happens to another.
Unitarian: sh!t that happens to one person is just as bad as sh!t that happens to another.
Lutheran: If sh!t happens, don't talk about it.
Fundamentalism: If sh!t happens, you will go to hell, unless you are born again. (Amen!)
Fundamentalism #2: If sh!t happens to a televangelist, it's okay.
Fundamentalism #3: sh!t must be born again.
Judaism: Why does this sh!t always happen to us?
Calvinism: sh!t happens because you don't work.
Seventh Day Adventism: No sh!t shall happen on Saturday.
Creationism: God made all sh!t.
Secular Humanism: sh!t evolves.
Christian Science: When sh!t happens, don't call a doctor - pray!
Christian Science #2: sh!t happening is all in your mind.
Unitarianism: Come let us reason together about this sh!t.
Quakers: Let us not fight over this sh!t.
Utopianism: This sh!t does not stink.
Darwinism: This sh!t was once food.
Capitalism: That's MY sh!t.
Communism: It's everybody's sh!t.
Feminism: Men are sh!t.
Chauvinism: We may be sh!t, but you can't live without us...
Commercialism: Let's package this sh!t.
Impressionism: From a distance, sh!t looks like a garden.
Idolism: Let's bronze this sh!t.
Existentialism: sh!t doesn't happen; sh!t IS.
Existentialism #2: What is sh!t, anyway?
Stoicism: This sh!t is good for me.
Hedonism: There is nothing like a good sh!t happening!
Mormonism: God sent us this sh!t.
Mormonism #2: This sh!t is going to happen again.
Wiccan: An it harm none, let sh!t happen.
Scientology: If sh!t happens, see "Dianetics", p.157.
Jehovah's Witnesses: >Knock< >Knock< sh!t happens.
Jehovah's Witnesses #2: May we have a moment of your time to show you some of our sh!t?
Jehovah's Witnesses #3: sh!t has been prophesied and is imminent; only the righteous shall survive its happening.
Moonies: Only really happy sh!t happens.
Hare Krishna: sh!t happens, rama rama.
Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this sh!t!
Zoroastrianism: sh!t happens half on the time.
Church of SubGenius: BoB runs.
Practical: Deal with sh!t one day at a time.
Agnostic: sh!t might have happened; then again, maybe not.
Agnostic #2: Did someone sh!t?
Agnostic #3: What is this sh!t?
Satanism: SNEPPAH TIHS.
Atheism: What sh!t?
Atheism #2: I can't believe this sh!t!
Nihilism: No sh!t.
Narcisism: I am the sh!t!

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vikaryan Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 453 Gender:	Re: Religion has no place in public life Reply #73 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 5:39pm All the proof declares very definitively to anyone who really wants to know the truth that *the Bible is a veritable maze of nonsense and contradictions*.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Religion has no place in public life Reply #74 - Jun 27^th, 2014 at 6:40pm What about the koran, the talmud or the upanishads?
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Religion is private and personal 18 (40.9%) Politics and religion are inseparable 9 (20.5%) Religion is false 5 (11.4%) Evolution is real 6 (13.6%) Atheism is true 6 (13.6%) Total votes: 44 « Created by: vikaryan on: Jun 25^th, 2014 at 2:12pm »