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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #60 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 3:49pm

Link in the OP now takes you to...

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There's an error in the address or link you have entered in your browser;
There's a technical issue and the page has not been properly published;
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hmmm I'm going with option 3 Grin

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #61 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 4:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Link in the OP now takes you to...

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Page not found
Sorry your page could not be found

We could not find the page you requested. This is either because:

There's an error in the address or link you have entered in your browser;
There's a technical issue and the page has not been properly published;
The article was removed to comply with a legal order;
It is an older article that has been removed from the site.

hmmm I'm going with option 3 Grin

Nah. This seems to happen sometimes. Consider your access restored

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #62 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Link in the OP now takes you to...

Quote:

Page not found
Sorry your page could not be found

We could not find the page you requested. This is either because:

There's an error in the address or link you have entered in your browser;
There's a technical issue and the page has not been properly published;
The article was removed to comply with a legal order;
It is an older article that has been removed from the site.

hmmm I'm going with option 3 Grin

Nah. This seems to happen sometimes. Consider your access restored

Page not found
Sorry your page could not be found

We could not find the page you requested. This is either because:
•There's an error in the address or link you have entered in your browser;
•There's a technical issue and the page has not been properly published;
•The article was removed to comply with a legal order;
•It is an older article that has been removed from the site.

NUP !!!!

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #63 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:15pm

Lobo wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

Link in the OP now takes you to...

Quote:

Page not found
Sorry your page could not be found

We could not find the page you requested. This is either because:

There's an error in the address or link you have entered in your browser;
There's a technical issue and the page has not been properly published;
The article was removed to comply with a legal order;
It is an older article that has been removed from the site.

hmmm I'm going with option 3 Grin

Nah. This seems to happen sometimes. Consider your access restored

Page not found
Sorry your page could not be found

We could not find the page you requested. This is either because:
•There's an error in the address or link you have entered in your browser;
•There's a technical issue and the page has not been properly published;
•The article was removed to comply with a legal order;
•It is an older article that has been removed from the site.

NUP !!!!

Interesting...

I just had it open. Hrmm.

How about Now?

Edit: Nope!

Seems to be a mechanism to stop a paywall bypass.

In that case....top link here

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #64 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:37pm

Thanx, Kytro....

Interesting comment from the bloke at the centre of all this.

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The speaker who was preparing to give a presentation about so-called “honour killings” claimed today that the idea for the speech came from the Opera House.

If this is so, who is it at the Opera House that nominates the questions?

Just asking.......

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #65 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 6:49pm

Kytro wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Interesting...

I just had it open. Hrmm.

How about Now?

Edit: Nope!

Seems to be a mechanism to stop a paywall bypass.

In that case....top link here

Its an entirely different article. The original article telling lies about "A RADICAL Islamic spokesman has been stopped from delivering a speech defending honour killings" has been removed - for obvious reasons.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #66 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

It would appear that the event's publicist twisted what the guy was actually going to talk about in an attempt to sound a bit more edgy and get a bit of publicity.

I'd say whoever it was, was outstandingly successful.

Then again.... mention "Islam", "Honour Killings".... then throw in a "Jihad" or two and you'll instantly get 9 out of 10 nongs going absolutely batshit anyway.

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #67 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

It would appear that the event's publicist twisted what the guy was actually going to talk about in an attempt to sound a bit more edgy and get a bit of publicity.

I'd say whoever it was, was outstandingly successful.

Then again.... mention "Islam", "Honour Killings".... then throw in a "Jihad" or two and you'll instantly get 9 out of 10 nongs going absolutely batshit anyway.

Not without reason, not all of those who profess to be Muslims are of the peace love and mung bean types you would expect them to be from reading the apologists.

Some of them have very different interpretations of Islam which includes a violent enmity toward the west.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: freedom of speech or madness Reply #68 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:14pm Hizb-ut-Tahrir... what else would you expect. Radical loonies. We should proscribe them like other sane countries. We should be pro-active and deport them and their followers.
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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #69 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opera-house-cancels-speech-by-hizb-uttahri...

A RADICAL Islamic spokesman has been stopped from delivering a speech defending honour killings at a cultural festival at The Sydney Opera House.

The event — part of the Festival of Dangerous Ideas — was slammed as a cheap stunt that could have put women’s lives at risk.

The furore comes days after Opera Australia sacked a soprano from performing at the Opera House after an anti-gay slur appeared on her Facebook page.

they spread HATE.. even for their brothers...we cannot ignore this..

Festival intended to 'provoke thought and discussion'

The Sydney Opera House released a statement saying the Festival of Dangerous Ideas is "a provocation to thought and discussion, rather than simply a provocation"

"It is always a matter of balance and judgement, and in this case a line has been crossed," the statement said.

"It is clear from the public reaction that the title has given the wrong impression of what Mr Badar intended to discuss.

"Neither Mr Badar, the St James Ethics Centre, nor Sydney Opera House in any way advocates honour killings or condones any form of violence against women."

Mr Badar says he did not choose the title of the speech, but did consent to it. He also said he wanted to discuss a different topic.

"I, in fact, suggested a more direct topic about Islam and secular liberalism - something like 'The West Needs Saving By Islam' - how's that for dangerous?" Mr Badar said.

"But the organisers insisted on this topic

, which I think is still a worthy topic of discussion, for many reasons."

Mr Badar also noted that events at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas are "confronting and provocative".

"In 2011, for instance,
Marc Thiessen, former George Bush speechwriter, argued for torture
. Last year one of the presentations was entitled 'A Killer Can Be Good'," he said.

"In this respect, my presentation is no different. What is different is that I'm Muslim - one willing to intellectually challenge secular liberal ideology and mainstream values - and that says a lot about the true extent of freedom and equality in modern Western liberal democracies such as Australia"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-25/dangerous-ideas-festival-cans-honour-killi...

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #70 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

"Dangerous" Ideas are not Lunatic ideas... or ideas against women... etc.

http://www.islam-watch.org/adrianmorgan/why-hizb-ut-tahrir-not-banned-in-us.htm

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Hizb ut-Tahrir (the Party of Liberation) is banned in virtually all Arab nations in the Middle East, such as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt. It is banned in Tunisia and Libya, and also Turkey. It is regarded as such a threat that it is even banned in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which are already cauldrons of extremism. It is banned in all the former Soviet states in Central Asia, and since February 2003 it has been banned in Russia. It has been banned in Germany - on account of its anti-Semitism and its desire to use force for political ends - since March 2003, and it is also banned in the Netherlands. Yet in Britain, the United States, Canada and Australia, the group remains free to operate. In Britain in August 2005, then-prime minister Tony Blair announced his intentions to ban the group.

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #71 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:05am

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Hizb ut-Tahrir (the Party of Liberation) is banned in virtually all Arab nations in the Middle East, such as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt. It is banned in Tunisia and Libya, and also Turkey. It is regarded as such a threat that it is even banned in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which are already cauldrons of extremism. It is banned in all the former Soviet states in Central Asia, and since February 2003 it has been banned in Russia. It has been banned in Germany - on account of its anti-Semitism and its desire to use force for political ends - since March 2003, and it is also banned in the Netherlands. Yet in Britain, the United States, Canada and Australia, the group remains free to operate. In Britain in August 2005, then-prime minister Tony Blair announced his intentions to ban the group.

Probably because they have done sfa here.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: freedom of speech or madness Reply #72 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:02pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:25pm: [color=#ff0000][b]"I, in fact, suggested a more direct topic about Islam and secular liberalism - something like 'The West Needs Saving By Islam' - how's that for dangerous?" Mr Badar said. How's that for a lunatic offering to cure the doctor?
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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #73 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

cods wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opera-house-cancels-speech-by-hizb-uttahri...

A RADICAL Islamic spokesman has been stopped from delivering a speech defending honour killings at a cultural festival at The Sydney Opera House.

The event — part of the Festival of Dangerous Ideas — was slammed as a cheap stunt that could have put women’s lives at risk.

The furore comes days after Opera Australia sacked a soprano from performing at the Opera House after an anti-gay slur appeared on her Facebook page.

they spread HATE.. even for their brothers...we cannot ignore this..

Festival intended to 'provoke thought and discussion'

The Sydney Opera House released a statement saying the Festival of Dangerous Ideas is "a provocation to thought and discussion, rather than simply a provocation"

"It is always a matter of balance and judgement, and in this case a line has been crossed," the statement said.

"It is clear from the public reaction that the title has given the wrong impression of what Mr Badar intended to discuss.

"Neither Mr Badar, the St James Ethics Centre, nor Sydney Opera House in any way advocates honour killings or condones any form of violence against women."

Mr Badar says he did not choose the title of the speech, but did consent to it. He also said he wanted to discuss a different topic.

"I, in fact, suggested a more direct topic about Islam and secular liberalism - something like 'The West Needs Saving By Islam' - how's that for dangerous?" Mr Badar said.

"But the organisers insisted on this topic

, which I think is still a worthy topic of discussion, for many reasons."

Mr Badar also noted that events at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas are "confronting and provocative".

"In 2011, for instance,
Marc Thiessen, former George Bush speechwriter, argued for torture
. Last year one of the presentations was entitled 'A Killer Can Be Good'," he said.

"In this respect, my presentation is no different. What is different is that I'm Muslim - one willing to intellectually challenge secular liberal ideology and mainstream values - and that says a lot about the true extent of freedom and equality in modern Western liberal democracies such as Australia"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-25/dangerous-ideas-festival-cans-honour-killi...

I think you need an eye test - the fonts are too big and bold.

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