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Reply #30 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:25am

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Why does the topic even need to be discussed in Australia?

Because it is a stereotype that is used to smear Australian muslims on an every day basis. I believe this is precisely what the speaker was going to address.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am:

Personally I would love to hear some one try argue for the positive of "examining whether honour killings can be morally justified". I would dearly love to hear some one cite God as justification for killing another of God's living creatures, in any situation let alone without just cause or any process to establish a just cause.

You will be disappointed, as thats not what the speech was about. It was the festival itself that came up with the title, not the speaker. The tele then came up with their blatantly false headline, and the hysteria snowballed from there. As the speaker said in his facebook page, he's being condemned before he has even opened his mouth.

I really hope media watch come down on this like a tonne of bricks next week.

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Reply #31 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:25am

Stratos wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

So all these were mercy killings or something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

You're apparently allowing your prejudice to blind you. The fact that a tiny few, some of whom were British, committed atrocities in certain places and times, does NOT demonstrate, let alone prove, an attitude held by an entire nation half a planet away from those events.

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Reply #32 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:29am

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

The white australia policy was based on this british hatred of aboriginal culture.

Good grief, go and learn some history, the WAP was about immigration, and was "based" in the racial prejudice common across the entire planet at that time.
If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

Go back then to the claim of terra nullius from the invading british christians ... british hatred of the aboriginal peoples.

Wrong yet again, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. TN demonstrated colonial expediency, they simply ignored Aboriginal tenure, there was no great emotional content at all in that. At the time there was serious debate as to whether Aborigines were even human, they were considered a curiosity, hence the pity, no hatred there either I'm afraid.

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Reply #33 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:31am

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am:

What a typical 'storm in a tea cup'. The speech is titled "Honour Killings are Morally Justified" but the stated aim was "examining whether honour killings can be morally justified".

Personally I would love to hear some one try argue for the positive of "examining whether honour killings can be morally justified". I would dearly love to hear some one cite God as justification for killing another of God's living creatures, in any situation let alone without just cause or any process to establish a just cause.

My only rider they can only use provable justification and not rely on any belief system or the unverified words of a 'witness' more than a 1000 years old.

My other rider is that the speech is pre published and there is an immediate counter argument allowed without any restriction on the questioning of the 'witness'.

Come on fuukwits, bring it on. Give me your justifications that a family member can kill another family member for any reason other than self defense. Bring it on fuukwits, bring it on.

If your brother was to enact a terrorism attack that could cost thousands of lives, lets say a dirty bomb, would you kill him if that was the only path to stop him?

What on earth has THAT got to do with Freedom of SPEECH? Shocked

I was responding to the last paragraph of crusty's

Nope, no relevancy there at all, he was still discussing SPEECH, nothing else.

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #34 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:32am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Why does the topic even need to be discussed in Australia?

Because it is a stereotype that is used to smear Australian muslims on an every day basis. I believe this is precisely what the speaker was going to address.

Poor old YT gets smeared every bloody day!

Bringing it up like this won't help anyone.....that is already evident. They could have been a bit more circumspect with their discussion topic "titles".

Especially considering "radical islam" is plastered all over the news at the moment.

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Reply #35 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:32am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

Why does the topic even need to be discussed in Australia?

Because it is a stereotype that is used to smear Australian muslims on an every day basis. I believe this is precisely what the speaker was going to address.

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am:

Personally I would love to hear some one try argue for the positive of "examining whether honour killings can be morally justified". I would dearly love to hear some one cite God as justification for killing another of God's living creatures, in any situation let alone without just cause or any process to establish a just cause.

You will be disappointed, as thats not what the speech was about. It was the festival itself that came up with the title, not the speaker. The tele then came up with their blatantly false headline, and the hysteria snowballed from there. As the speaker said in his facebook page, he's being condemned before he has even opened his mouth.

I really hope media watch come down on this like a tonne of bricks next week.

Well said, and I too will watch with interest, it's right up their alley, if they ignore this I will be highly disappointed.

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Reply #36 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:39am

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

The white australia policy was based on this british hatred of aboriginal culture.

Good grief, go and learn some history, the WAP was about immigration, and was "based" in the racial prejudice common across the entire planet at that time.
If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

Go back then to the claim of terra nullius from the invading british christians ... british hatred of the aboriginal peoples.

Wrong yet again, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. TN demonstrated colonial expediency, they simply ignored Aboriginal tenure, there was no great emotional content at all in that. At the time there was serious debate as to whether Aborigines were even human, they were considered a curiosity, hence the pity, no hatred there either I'm afraid.

There was no pity, it was hatred and thats why aboriginals were massacred on mass, dehumanised, and there culture destroyed.

Something that is still occurring
i.e
Large percent of the aboriginal population jailed
Aboriginal petroglyphs, Murujuga (Burrup Peninsula)

It's a similar mindset to the subset of islamic radicals who want infidels deleted.

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Reply #37 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:40am

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

OldnCrusty wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:15am:

What a typical 'storm in a tea cup'. The speech is titled "Honour Killings are Morally Justified" but the stated aim was "examining whether honour killings can be morally justified".

Personally I would love to hear some one try argue for the positive of "examining whether honour killings can be morally justified". I would dearly love to hear some one cite God as justification for killing another of God's living creatures, in any situation let alone without just cause or any process to establish a just cause.

My only rider they can only use provable justification and not rely on any belief system or the unverified words of a 'witness' more than a 1000 years old.

My other rider is that the speech is pre published and there is an immediate counter argument allowed without any restriction on the questioning of the 'witness'.

Come on fuukwits, bring it on. Give me your justifications that a family member can kill another family member for any reason other than self defense. Bring it on fuukwits, bring it on.

If your brother was to enact a terrorism attack that could cost thousands of lives, lets say a dirty bomb, would you kill him if that was the only path to stop him?

What on earth has THAT got to do with Freedom of SPEECH? Shocked

I was responding to the last paragraph of crusty's

Nope, no relevancy there at all, he was still discussing SPEECH, nothing else.

I will wait for crusty to speak for crusty thanks.

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #38 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:42am

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

Where they
Have you a copy of the speech?

My comment relates to the OP and 'honour killing'.

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 8:37am:

And what of people who publicly talk on the topic of abortion or voluntary euthanasia, isn't that murder to some people so sre these topics potential hate speeches?

Perhaps.

Abortion is murder, and proponent speeches in support of it could definitely be viewed as hate speech.

Voluntary euthanasia isn't, unless you are a schizophrenic I suppose...... Cheesy

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #39 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:42am

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

The white australia policy was based on this british hatred of aboriginal culture.

Good grief, go and learn some history, the WAP was about immigration, and was "based" in the racial prejudice common across the entire planet at that time.
If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

Go back then to the claim of terra nullius from the invading british christians ... british hatred of the aboriginal peoples.

Wrong yet again, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. TN demonstrated colonial expediency, they simply ignored Aboriginal tenure, there was no great emotional content at all in that. At the time there was serious debate as to whether Aborigines were even human, they were considered a curiosity, hence the pity, no hatred there either I'm afraid.

There was no pity, it was hatred and thats why aboriginals were massacred on mass, dehumanised, and there culture destroyed.

Something that is still occurring
i.e
Large percent of the aboriginal population jailed
Aboriginal petroglyphs, Murujuga (Burrup Peninsula)

Poor old YT gets smeared every bloody day!

I rest my case......

Did you even know Abo's were still getting massacred on mass!!!

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #42 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:48am

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

The white australia policy was based on this british hatred of aboriginal culture.

Good grief, go and learn some history, the WAP was about immigration, and was "based" in the racial prejudice common across the entire planet at that time.
If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

Go back then to the claim of terra nullius from the invading british christians ... british hatred of the aboriginal peoples.

Wrong yet again, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. TN demonstrated colonial expediency, they simply ignored Aboriginal tenure, there was no great emotional content at all in that. At the time there was serious debate as to whether Aborigines were even human, they were considered a curiosity, hence the pity, no hatred there either I'm afraid.

There was no pity, it was hatred and thats why aboriginals were massacred on mass, dehumanised, and there culture destroyed.

Something that is still occurring
i.e
Large percent of the aboriginal population jailed
Aboriginal petroglyphs, Murujuga (Burrup Peninsula)

Poor old YT gets smeared every bloody day!

I rest my case......

Did you even know Abo's were still getting massacred on mass!!!

Roll Eyes

Check out the difference in life expectancy.

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #43 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:51am

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

The white australia policy was based on this british hatred of aboriginal culture.

Good grief, go and learn some history, the WAP was about immigration, and was "based" in the racial prejudice common across the entire planet at that time.
If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

Go back then to the claim of terra nullius from the invading british christians ... british hatred of the aboriginal peoples.

Wrong yet again, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. TN demonstrated colonial expediency, they simply ignored Aboriginal tenure, there was no great emotional content at all in that. At the time there was serious debate as to whether Aborigines were even human, they were considered a curiosity, hence the pity, no hatred there either I'm afraid.

There was no pity, it was hatred and thats why aboriginals were massacred on mass, dehumanised, and there culture destroyed.

Something that is still occurring
i.e
Large percent of the aboriginal population jailed
Aboriginal petroglyphs, Murujuga (Burrup Peninsula)

It's a similar mindset to the subset of islamic radicals who want infidels deleted.

Human Sacrificial Religious Rites are still happening?
Where, precisely? Cheesy

Take off your bonnet and let that bee loose cobber, you've lost the plot, entirely!

Besides, there are far more urgent conspiracies to fret over...

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Re: freedom of speech or madness
Reply #44 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:04am

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

____ wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

austranger wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

The white australia policy was based on this british hatred of aboriginal culture.

Good grief, go and learn some history, the WAP was about immigration, and was "based" in the racial prejudice common across the entire planet at that time.
If you could define a common "British" attitude to Aboriginals it would most likely be pity, not hatred.

Go back then to the claim of terra nullius from the invading british christians ... british hatred of the aboriginal peoples.

Wrong yet again, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. TN demonstrated colonial expediency, they simply ignored Aboriginal tenure, there was no great emotional content at all in that. At the time there was serious debate as to whether Aborigines were even human, they were considered a curiosity, hence the pity, no hatred there either I'm afraid.

There was no pity, it was hatred and thats why aboriginals were massacred on mass, dehumanised, and there culture destroyed.

Something that is still occurring
i.e
Large percent of the aboriginal population jailed
Aboriginal petroglyphs, Murujuga (Burrup Peninsula)

Poor old YT gets smeared every bloody day!

I rest my case......

Did you even know Abo's were still getting massacred on mass!!!

Roll Eyes

Check out the difference in life expectancy.

It's going up isn't it?

Regardless of....

Drinking, Smoking, poor diet, drugs, sexual and physical abuse.

Self massacre....?

But yes, we know, this is all YT's fault.

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