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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #91 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

I thought keating was one of our better PM's

I don't think we've had one that I would consider good in my living memory - all have lead this country down the garden path while growing fat on the proceeds of the economic and social death of Australia - sucking deeply on the juices of the dead so to speak.....

The simple fact is that not one of them would have been elected President in a popular election.... that's my yardstick...

Second yardstick is "Would you follow this (insert gender term) into battle?"

So:-

a) Would you elect Tony or Bill President if we had a PopEl tomorrow?

b) Would you follow Tony or Bill into battle tomorrow?

c) (My Wee Johnnie question from way back now) If you saw this (insert gender) standing on the corner of George and Market Streets handing out leaflets that say "We Must Go To War With Iraq!" (etc - insert issue e,g, Julia and "We Must Stamp Out Misogyny!")... would you even stop to consider what they were saying? Or would you just walk on and go about your business, thinking - "Another nutter!".

THAT, my children is the reality of our elected representatives...

Add in any politician's name you like there and get back to me...

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #92 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #93 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Damn AP - even you and I agree sometimes! The world never ceases to amaze me....

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #94 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Hope is already lost for you. You refuse to admit that Abbott has problems of his own making.

Oh, and another point - exclamation marks are not a substitute for rational argument.

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Reply #95 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:05pm

I am just wondering when Abbott will be forced to stand down and if he will go willingly or put up a fight. I would love to see a Leader ship scuffle like Gillard Rudd. The only thing keeping him in as PM at the moment is his blind ignorance of how much the Australian people dispise him and the mob mentality of his own party.

Don't for one minute think that the likes of Malcom Turnbull and Julie Bishop are not concerned that his belligerence is not trashing the Coalition Brand and that they could indeed do a better job.

I give him another year before the party comes to its senses and asks him to step aside. If he refuses I give the party another year before it faces electoral defeat and we are lumped with a shambolic Labor party again.
Even so I bet the Australian people are looking back on Gillard and Rudd with tearful nostalgia and wishing they had not voted this party in. I knew that this would be the result of a Coalition government, I also knew that had Labor been retained the country would be facing bankruptcy by now.

Either way damned if you do damned if you don't.
It does not matter which one is in power they are both equally incompetent when it comes to running the nation.
I think a 12 year old girl guides group could do a better job !

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #96 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:08pm

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Hope is already lost for you. You refuse to admit that Abbott has problems of his own making.

Oh, and another point - exclamation marks are not a substitute for rational argument.

All the media did was to highlight Gillard's numerous failings - they certainly didn't cause them. That didn't stop Conroy from trying to go all Stalinist on the media in his attempts to censor the bad news!

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #97 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:32pm

Some nice hyperbowl:

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I also knew that had Labor been retained the country would be facing bankruptcy by now.

Actually, the Budget would have been passed now. It would not seek to deprive young unemployed of any assistance. It would have further reduced the huge rorts allowing the wealthy to avoid tax, would have moved against asset millionaire old age pensioners and tightened FBT rules. Holden and Toyota would likely not be leaving Australia and spending would be enough to prevent recession.

This incompetent worse than shambles haven’t even put up half the Budget Bills yet so their projections are already wrong!

A sovereign nation like Australia with its own currency can’t go bankrupt.

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #99 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:45pm

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

Despite the media?

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

I'd prefer something substantial; like bad policy or bad implementation or a dysfunctional government party room, etc... gee I wonder who is streets ahead now then eh?

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #100 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:46pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Damn AP - even you and I agree sometimes! The world never ceases to amaze me....

I thought they were all Abbott fault..lol.. didnt she blame the tooth fairy at one time as well... Grin

I love it when they blame everything onto someone else.......and boy labor are so good at it...

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #101 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Well most of them smacking were.

And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support.

Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more.

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #102 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm

Kat wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Well most of them smacking were.

And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support.

Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more.

Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted.
She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics.

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #103 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:00pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

Bam wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 10:02am:

Rudd and Gillard both never finished a full term in office & Rudd was PM twice in those six years. If there is ever a situation where Abbott gets knifed (not stands down), then he may be considered a less than successful PM. But even then, he won't be up there with Rudd & Gillard as the worst. Keating is well ahead of Abbott as worst and Rudd/Gillard top the list.

Abbott - 60% disapproval. Only matched by Gillard at her lowest. Unlike Gillard though, Abbott's got to this level despite the media, not because of it. It's all his own doing.

If we're to judge by "worst", we can compare broken promises, proven lies or obvious gaffes. Abbott comes out worse than Rudd and Gillard on all these measures. To assert that Abbott is somehow better is just a biased assessment with no supporting evidence.

If you honestly think Gillard's problems were because of the media, then all hope is lost for you!!! Grin

Well most of them smacking were.

And what weren't, were caused by that corrupt, lying pack of fascist maggots that you support.

Those who continue to support this shower of faeces are traitors, fools, or both. Nothing more.

Most of Julia's problems were internal (Rudd) or self inflicted.
She was a great deputy but fell apart as PM due to her sticking to what I can only think was the spin doctors tactics.

Why do you bother with el grubbo grendal it's wanker! Wink

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Re: Abbott worst PM in Australia history
Reply #104 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:01pm

Gillard was one of our greatest PMs.

Achieved heaps despite backstabbing from Rudd & his group and a totally negative opposition and a hung Parliament. Yet pushed through a huge reform agenda. We were leaders, the envied, the wonder economy.

Now we are rapidly approaching pariah nation status and Abbott is widely regarded as a joke inside and outside Australia.

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