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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #75 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

Yes...and no.

If they arrive at the border and claim asylum, they have committed no illegal act, so therefore, they have not "illegally entered the country". Their claim for Asylum has to be adjudicated by the Refugee Tribunal. If it is upheld, they are granted Asylum and allowed to enter the country. If it is not, then and only then are they considered "illegal immigrants".

That is how the legislation is written and no matter how much or how often or how loudly the Government may claim otherwise, until they change the legislaton, that is how the law reads and that is how the employees of the Government are required to act.

You, because of your obvious xenophobia may wish to believe otherwise but that doesn't make it the truth! Grin

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

The protocol has no status in law, whereas the legislation does. You cannot describe someone as being "illegal" without some form of legally binding judgement having been made against them which proves their legal or illegal status. I'd love to see you try and argue this in a court of law. It'd be amusing to watch as you're booted out the door! Even the Government doesn't try and use this bullshit "protocol" in legal proceedings. All it exists to do is to fool idiots like you into believing the Government's justification for what it's claiming about Asylum Seekers and doing to them... Grin

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not

[color=#ffff00]committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus Reply #76 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry". parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 156683 Gender:	Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus Reply #77 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm \|dev\|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:08pm: ... fool idiots like you into believing the Government's justification for what it's claiming about Asylum Seekers and doing to them. Indeed. And the bigger the idiot, the easier they're fooled.
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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #78 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

... fool idiots like you into believing the Government's justification for what it's claiming about Asylum Seekers and doing to them.

Indeed.

And the bigger the idiot, the easier they're fooled.

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".
parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #79 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:31pm

The Problem with Illegals.

People entering Australia without a visa are not referred to as "illegal" in the Act.[...]Irrespective of these sections, it is not a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa.The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law.It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them.Arriving without a visa can only result in criminal sanctions if there is some other offence involved such as falsifying a passport or forging a document.

Looks like your "verdict" is incorrect. Grin

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #80 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

Not my verdict.....f Roll Eyes

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Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #81 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:44pm

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

The Problem with Illegals.

People entering Australia without a visa are not referred to as "illegal" in the Act.[...]Irrespective of these sections, it is not a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa.The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law.It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them.Arriving without a visa can only result in criminal sanctions if there is some other offence involved such as falsifying a passport or forging a document.

Looks like your "verdict" is incorrect.

Indeed, but he already knew that.

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #82 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Not my verdict.....f Roll Eyes

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Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

You really are a turkey, you know that. They are "illegal entrants" they are not "illegal immigrants". There is a clear difference in law between the two phrases as has been set out in the High Court. Appealing back to the Government's bullshit "protocol" doesn't change black to white or white to black, no matter how many times you scream it from the rooftops. Grin

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #83 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

The Problem with Illegals.

People entering Australia without a visa are not referred to as "illegal" in the Act.[...]Irrespective of these sections, it is not a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa.The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law.It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them.Arriving without a visa can only result in criminal sanctions if there is some other offence involved such as falsifying a passport or forging a document.

Looks like your "verdict" is incorrect.

Indeed, but he already knew that.

What a wanker. Grin

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #84 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

Good on you 2 fanning each other!!

And as for Bad Breath - They are "illegal entrants"

LOL, nice own goal "Turkey" - "ILLEGAL" you see that peccer, even your fan mate calls 'em "ILLEGAL"

Article 31 is pretty clear...

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 156683 Gender:	Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus Reply #85 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:09pm King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:05pm: Article 31 is pretty clear... Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry". It isn't Australian legislation. They aren't illegal. They aren't "illegal entrants", "illegal immigrants", or "illegals". You knew that already though.
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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #86 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:09pm

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus Reply #87 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:09pm Turkey. You're the one using the term "illegal immigrants". I just call them "Asylum Seekers" which is not prejudiced. Again, your appeal to the Government's "protocol" is pointless. It has no standing in law, what so ever.
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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #88 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

The Problem with Illegals.

People entering Australia without a visa are not referred to as "illegal" in the Act.[...]Irrespective of these sections, it is not a criminal offence under the Act to arrive in Australia without a visa.The description of foreigners previously as illegal and currently as unlawful in the Migration Act does not mean they have broken the law.It is a description of their entry status and determines the way authorities process them.Arriving without a visa can only result in criminal sanctions if there is some other offence involved such as falsifying a passport or forging a document.

Looks like your "verdict" is incorrect.

Indeed, but he already knew that.

Not my verdict... Roll Eyes

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Re: That Iranian refo that got killed on Manus
Reply #89 - Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 17^th, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Article 31 is pretty clear...

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

It isn't Australian legislation.

They aren't illegal.

They aren't "illegal entrants", "illegal immigrants", or "illegals".

You knew that already though.

LOL, Australian legislation when it suits you, the UN Conention when it suits you.

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict

Mr Morrison is correct.

Based on the definition set out in the people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country.

That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

"STOP THE ILLEGALS"

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