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Re: This woman is in serious trouble with the law.
Reply #15 - May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm
 
Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under.
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Reply #16 - May 16th, 2014 at 6:36pm
 
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Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man
Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion)
The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death.
Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal
The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk
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I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?
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Re: This woman is in serious trouble with the law.
Reply #17 - May 16th, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under.



I think you miss Abu.
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Re: This woman is in serious trouble with the law.
Reply #18 - May 16th, 2014 at 7:20pm
 
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I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this.

In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?





I don't know how gandalf will respond....

.....but we do know that another moslem here on OzPol, True_Colours, does not support violence against infidels, even if the infidel was once a moslem.....


True, True_Colours ?


True Colours wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 1:19pm:
Yadda wrote on May 13th, 2014 at 11:03am:
ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers''...




Garbage.

Killing an innocent is not allowed in Islam.

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Let there be no compulsion in religion;

- the Quran, al-Baqara, v.256











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A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Re: This woman is in serious trouble with the law.
Reply #19 - May 16th, 2014 at 7:38pm
 
True Colours wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under.



I think you miss Abu.


At the time I thought he was bad, but he was an amateur compared to Gandalf. At least I could get a straight answer out of him, even if it did take a dozen pages of asking.
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Reply #20 - May 16th, 2014 at 8:21pm
 
aww FD I just know you would get all nostalgic about me if I left - admit it!
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #21 - May 16th, 2014 at 8:23pm
 
Ahem.

Gandalf??

Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
Quote:
Sudanese woman, 27, who is a doctor and eight months PREGNANT to be flogged to death for the 'crime' of marrying a Christian man
Christian mother pregnant with her second child has been formally convicted of adultery and apostasy (deserting religion)
The crimes are punishable by 100 lashes and death.
Having been born in Sudan, Ibrahim is considered a Muslim by birth, making her marriage to Wani, a non-Muslim, illegal
The punishment will be carried out after her child in born who will then be given to the father to look after


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2628895/Sudanese-woman-eight-months-pregnant-flogged-death-unless-she.html#ixzz31mYRVyQk
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I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?

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Re: This woman is in serious trouble with the law.
Reply #22 - May 16th, 2014 at 8:25pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?


Gandalf is abhored by it, and has argued consistently that there is no islamic basis for death for apostasy.

I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #23 - May 16th, 2014 at 8:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
I would like to know what Gandalf thinks about this. In particular, I'd like to know if he agrees with the punishment that is about to be carried out?


Gandalf is abhored by it, and has argued consistently that there is no islamic basis for death for apostasy.

I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.


K. Glad to hear this. Relieved even.
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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Re: This woman is in serious trouble with the law.
Reply #24 - May 16th, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:38pm:
True Colours wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
Abu supported the death penalty for apostasy, which according to him, this would fall under.



I think you miss Abu.


At the time I thought he was bad, but he was an amateur compared to Gandalf. At least I could get a straight answer out of him, even if it did take a dozen pages of asking.


yes, your patience is amazing.
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Reply #25 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 12:56pm
 
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #26 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 1:37pm
 
If there is no law against apostasy in islam, the logical question is: Why did they charge her in the first place?

They charged her because:

The death penalty for apostasy is preached in the qur'an, it is an integral part of islam, below are the qur'an verses. There are many references in the hadi'th as well

qur'an: 4.88 -  What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

Allah has made them return (to unbelief) in other words allah has made apostates of them.

qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

disbelieve as they disbelieve, means they are apostates, they emigrate in the way of allah, means they become muslims, they join islam, then if they turn their backs, means they have become apostates, they turn their back on islam. it is then the duty of muslims to slay them

It is only because today 2014, we have instantaneous communications, the degenerate backwardness of muslims is flashed around the globe in seconds, public outcry occurred immediately in the civilized world. muslims had to back down.


In the days before we had the means to so quickly convey information globally, about this barbaric atrocity of muslims, these inhumane pigs would have flogged and killed her in front of a jeering muslim crowd, all whipping themselves into a blood crazed frenzy, shouting allahu akbar, as they tortured her to death.
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Reply #27 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 2:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 12:56pm:


I do not see any good side in this whatsoever.
Only an oppressive regime

Are you going to stand back and say "Oh, look, they did not murder her after all !!!!!!!! See how good islam is?"

Islam disgusts me
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Reply #28 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 6:13pm
 
Oh Sprint, you are so predictable. No thats not what I meant, as I made clear in my previous post:

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I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #29 - Jun 1st, 2014 at 6:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1st, 2014 at 6:13pm:
Oh Sprint, you are so predictable. No thats not what I meant, as I made clear in my previous post:

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I also know that the chances of this sentence actually being carried out are virtually non-existent. But not excusing anything.



Actions speak louder than twisting words.
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