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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #180 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:24pm brumbie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:14pm: [ So when Rudd gave away all that money to attempt to stimulate the econimy and Labor gleefully announced that it saved Australia from recession it was in fact a load of bollocks? Theres the clue.
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Reply #181 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:31pm

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:24pm:

brumbie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:14pm:

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So when Rudd gave away all that money to attempt to stimulate the econimy and Labor gleefully announced that it saved Australia from recession it was in fact a load of bollocks?

Theres the clue.

The hopefully you will solve it shortly.Money generates money.If the masses keep their money in the bank then the economy is in for a gloomy time.Find ways for them to spend equals sunny days Alan Greenspan.

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Reply #182 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:41pm

brumbie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:31pm:

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The hopefully you will solve it shortly.Money generates money.If the masses keep their money in the bank then the economy is in for a gloomy time.Find ways for them to spend equals sunny days Alan Greenspan.

How does money do this exactly? Asexual reproduction ? Lol. And you claim you are a businessman. What a howler!! ROFL!

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Reply #183 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:42pm

brumbie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:14pm:

So when Rudd gave away all that money to attempt to stimulate the econimy and Labor gleefully announced that it saved Australia from recession it was in fact a load of bollocks?

Nooo (he says patiently) Rudd 'go hard, go early, go households' would be...

"Giving Bloggies the dole to buy a loaf of bread has an economics benefit. "

It doesn't matter if Bloggies spends the money on bread, ciggies or home isolation it will stimulate the economy with a multiplier effect. Exactly what the multiplier effect is will vary according to a number of factors include the savings rate.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #184 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:42pm Maybe the government prints extra money when the Royals come here eh? Did you get yours in the mail Brumbie?
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olde.sault Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2913	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #185 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:50pm red baron wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 7:10pm: Makes a change from the Obeid family, Labor Party Royalty and their headline grabbing scenarios huh? . . . or such things as union heavies and slush funds, eh?
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Reply #186 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:52pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 12:18pm:

GA wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

This is you. But the majority will always be needing to look up to some one as it's just part of our human nature.

Eh.

Has the discussion been about not looking up to any one. I'm saying if you are going to have heroes make sure they have substance and not all froth and bubble media productions.

What, Tony has substance? How about Gina and Clive? Sure they are 'substantial' but it's more to do with their physical size or the size of their wallets.

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I'm also saying these are Poms and don't relate to our values or society. If you are going to have heroes make them worth while and make them Australian.

Grow up Australia, move on Australia.'

Aussie are the most British people outside of Britain itself.

And making them Australian is an option, we can have our own monarchy. It would be the logical progression if the Queen were to crown as her successor here, someone we've nominated. Doing this would give us as a country something truly meaningful, as opposed to the meaninglessness of 'Federation' or anything else that's simply legislated (as a republic would be).

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GA wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

And that' right they are 'born' into the role of public servants, so they can't really be 'blamed' for being what they are can they. And if any thing they fail by not standing up for the public more, Prince Charles being the exception to this as he has been outspoken on some of Britain's problems. But without the royals Britain would go into a irreversible decline.

Eh.

. A strange logic and at best these are Pommy justifications for the Royals (and there are Poms who would differ with you and I would probably agree).

Grow up Australia, move on Australia.

There are plenty of "poms" who I disagree with, these are the 'Briticans' that care more about image than they do for their country. The British would be the world's second worse patriots behind the Aussies, because all they care about now is trying to be like the Americans, whereas we are desperately trying to be British again.

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GA wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 12:05pm:

They might have got away without them for a period hundreds of years ago, but not if it should ever happen again.

Eh

Cromwell and his Roundheads overthrew the British monarchy in 1649. And if for any reason the a monarch were ever deposed of again, it would be a setback that was irrecoverable. Once you do these kind of things it's difficult to re-instate them, and even if you do their meaningfulness is diminished.

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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #187 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:01pm Don't care about them one way or the other. Though Kate has a smashing body and would definately throw one into her.
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Reply #188 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:20pm

GA wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:52pm:

Aussie are the most British people outside of Britain itself.

Which is the whole frigging point. We are Australians because the pommy bloodsuckers were never part of the Australian society (despite the best efforts of John MacArthur, Marsden and other self centered conservatives).

Australia is Pommyland with Pommy institutions (Law, parliament etc) and Pommy social values (an individuals have equal rights and no corruption please).

And we owe it ALL to liberal* MIDDLE CLASS professional Poms. I'll name a few; Phillip, King, Hunter, Bligh, Macquarie, LaTrobe - and that's only the tip of the iceberg - there is an absolute plethora of great and lesser lights that made Australia Australia WITHOUT the bloodsuckers.

It was not so much by design but Australia is what you get when you take away the bloddsuckers from the Pommy society.

*Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality and NOT in the meaning that been usurped by the Australian Liberal Party (who are actually conservatives.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Posts: 7062 Gender:	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #189 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:32pm I think they're lovely. Kate in particular. Everyone looks so happy to see them. How can that be bad?
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Reply #190 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:39pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:42pm:

brumbie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:14pm:

So when Rudd gave away all that money to attempt to stimulate the econimy and Labor gleefully announced that it saved Australia from recession it was in fact a load of bollocks?

Nooo (he says patiently) Rudd 'go hard, go early, go households' would be...

"Giving Bloggies the dole to buy a loaf of bread has an economics benefit. "

It doesn't matter if Bloggies spends the money on bread, ciggies or home isolation it will stimulate the economy with a multiplier effect. Exactly what the multiplier effect is will vary according to a number of factors include the savings rate.

It seems we both agree on that then,as to Republicanism,I think the UK will have sorted that problem out before we even have to decide.The Queen will be the last in my view.

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OldnCrusty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 855 Gender:	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #191 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:47pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:32pm: I think they're lovely. Kate in particular. Everyone looks so happy to see them. How can that be bad? Its not bad just superficial
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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is anyone else sick of the royal family? Reply #192 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:48pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:32pm: I think they're lovely. Kate in particular. Everyone looks so happy to see them. How can that be bad? Yep, I'm with you Annie....
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Reply #193 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 5:08pm

brumbie wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 4:39pm:

It seems we both agree on that then,as to Republicanism,I think the UK will have sorted that problem out before we even have to decide.The Queen will be the last in my view.

I haven't tied Republicanism with this Royal Visit. The Royal visit is us bowing and scraping to people who pretend to be our social superiors. It is the polar opposite of 'who we are'. We only behave this way when someone says 'Royal'!!! We are collectively being as ingenuine as they are.

I can see Australia being a Republic but the issue is fraught with legal and constitutional issues. I concede there are advantages to having an apolitical hereditary sovereign which form safeguards that would be hard to replicate with an elected or politically appointed representative (sovereign).

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