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8 engineering reasons not to buy F-35 aircraft.
Apr 24th, 2014 at 3:05pm
 
this is for the techies on the forum.

In no particular order,  current list for the top 8 list of F-35B problems and solutions are on the jump:

1. Bulkhead cracks

The Problem: It was revealed in November that the aluminum alloy 496 bulkhead cracked less than 10% through a 16,000hr durability test.

The Solution: In the short-term Lockheed has redesigned a hard edge for the bulkhead into a curve. By redistributing the load, the 496 bulkhead will remain airworthy for 1,500h. That’s plenty of time for the test fleet, but operational aircraft need a load-bearing bulkhead to survive at least 8,000h. As a result, Lockheed is planning to install a 7-8lb steel patch on the bulkhead for production aircraft. A composite patch is also being studied.

2. Vertical lift bring-back (VLBB)

The Problem: As Lockheed defines it, the F-35B right now has all the vertical thrust it needs to “bring back” the required load of weapons and fuel onto an amphibious carrier. But today’s lifting capacity won’t be enough as the F-35B’s weight is expected grow like any other operational aircraft.

The Solution: It’s not exactly clear how much weight is in the trade space. Lockheed only says that 400lb is “a lot” in the context of a VLBB debate. Meanwhile, Pratt & Whitney has offered to increase the vertical thrust of the F135-PW-600, which is the STOVL variant, by around 200lb, if necessary. Lockheed prefers to reclaim the VLBB growth margin by putting the F-35B’s structures and systems on a diet. 

3. Auxiliary air inlet (AAI) doors

The Problem: Three doors open to allow air to flow into the F-35B’s engine. The big one is the one-piece door after of the cockpit — internally nicknamed the ’57 Chevy hood. Just behind that doors are the auxiliary air inlet doors. As the amount of ram air declines as the F-35B slows to a hover, the auxiliary inlet sucks more oxygen into the liftfan engine, which increases vertical overall thrust. The problem is that the hinges for the doors are too weak for the turbulent air at 250kt.

The Solution: The near-term fix is to change the software so the AAI doors can’t open until the F-35 slows down from 250kt. The long-term fix is redesign either the doors or the hinges to survive the turbulent air at higher speeds. Lockheed believes this will be a relatively simple fix because both the doors and hinges are easily accessible.

4. Parts reliability

The Problem: The F-35B’s parts reliability is poor, even for a program at this stage of development. Complaints have been hears about everything from key components of the propulsion system to the rudder pedals.

The Solution: In the short term, Lockheed is simply ordering more parts stockpile. As this tends to increase costs without addressing the root problem, Lockheed also has a long-term plan. In the latest restructuring unveiled in January, Lockheed and it’s key suppliers will receive new contracts to make investments to improve reliability of the thousands of parts and components.

5. Wing roll-off

The Problem: At transonic speeds — generally between 0.95M and 1.05M — air flow for any supersonic fighter starts getting “squirrelly”, as pilots call it. In this regime, air can be flowing over one wing or parts of one wing at supersonic speed, while moving subsonically on the other wing. This is especially true when the fighter is maneuvering aggressively. In such disruptions, one wing has a tendency to “roll-off”, a movement not quite as severe as the “wing drop” problem experienced by the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and still on the list of concerns for the F-35C carrier variant. The F-35B has experienced wing roll-off in flight tests, which Lockheed says was expected.

The Solution: The F-35 is a fly-by-wire aircraft, so the plan is to counter the wing roll-off with a software change that sharpens the responses by the flight controls when such events occur. This is not expected to solve the problem completely, but it needs to be better. “You’re never going to be perfect in that regime, but itneeds to be acceptable,” Lockheed says.

6. Driveshaft:

The Problem: The driveshaft that transfers power from the engine to the liftfan met Lockheed’s performance target, but flight tests revealed the original requirement wasn’t enough, according to Pratt & Whitney. As a result, the driveshaft is stretching and compressing at higher than expected levels.

The Solution: The near-term fix has been to insert spacers at each end of the shaft, allowing the component to expand more as heat rises. In the long-term, P&W is redesigning the driveshaft to meet higher tolerances for expansion and contraction.

7. Roll-post nozzle:

The Problem: Actuators the move the roll-post nozzles embedded inside each wing are burning out faster than anticipated. The cause is not the design of the actuator itself. Instead, the temperatures inside the wing are hotter than expected, so the actuators are exposed to unexpected levels of heat.

The Solution:  In the near-term, more insulation is being installed around the actuators, and ventilation in the wing is being improved. In the longer-term, Pratt & Whitney will upgrade the actuator design to survive more hotter temperatures.

8. Lift-fan clutch

The Problem: According to Pratt & Whitney, it happens “very infrequently”, but somehow the clutch plates for the lift-fan touch in flight. This creates friction that exceeds the clutch’s temperature limit.

last year2013 lockheed martin laid off workers over this  rubbish aircraft.
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Re: 8 engineering reasons not to buy F-35 aircraft.
Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 3:08pm
 
We're getting the F-35A variant AFAICR which has a different config and lift fan. So some of these issues are irrelevant
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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 3:27pm
 
do you remember in the seventies british leyland made a car called the TR7, they also made the TR8 for the american market, both these cars where rubbish...

all bad design faults,just like lockheed u.k.  who made the brake systems for  these vehicles,in the u.k.

lockheed martin will be the maker of the rubbish F-35 aircraft in america.

history repeating here again.


wake up people of australia.
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 3:28pm
 
Just to play devils advocate imcrookonit, what would you prefer we buy
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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
the F111 has a host of problems.  they were fixed.  get over it.
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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 7:17pm
 
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do you remember in the seventies british leyland made a car called the TR7, they also made the TR8 for the american market, both these cars where rubbish...

all bad design faults,just like lockheed u.k.  who made the brake systems for  these vehicles,in the u.k.

lockheed martin will be the maker of the rubbish F-35 aircraft in america.

history repeating here again.


wake up people of australia.


AND that has NOTHING to do with F-35 joint strike fighter
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Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 9:20pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2014 at 3:28pm:
Just to play devils advocate imcrookonit, what would you prefer we buy


Buy an aircraft carrier for the existing FA-18's Wink
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Reply #8 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 9:34pm
 
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2. Vertical lift bring-back (VLBB)

The Problem: As Lockheed defines it, the F-35B right now has all the vertical thrust it needs to “bring back” the required load of weapons and fuel onto an amphibious carrier. But today’s lifting capacity won’t be enough as the F-35B’s weight is expected grow like any other operational aircraft.

The Solution: It’s not exactly clear how much weight is in the trade space. Lockheed only says that 400lb is “a lot” in the context of a VLBB debate. Meanwhile, Pratt & Whitney has offered to increase the vertical thrust of the F135-PW-600, which is the STOVL variant, by around 200lb, if necessary. Lockheed prefers to reclaim the VLBB growth margin by putting the F-35B’s structures and systems on a diet. 


It should have two engines instead of one for higher lift capacity and better reliability and redundancy. This is proof that it is a toy.
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Reply #9 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 9:46pm
 
The F-111 was ideally suited to Australia's needs. We should have bought all the US mothballed F-111s and kept them running for another 20 years.

Nuclear capable terrain following strike bomber that could fly to Jakarta and back without refuelling. Same mission with f-18 or f-35, lose the refueller and the planes fall into the ocean. We don't need short range fighters, we need long range strike aircraft. The f-15 would be better suited to Au than f-18 with 2x the combat radius. We don't have a carrier fleet. F 35 may end up being a fine aircraft but still not suited to our vast distances.

This is just my opinion...
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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2014 at 12:04am
 
Australia has no evident prospective enemies. May as well buy these flying coffins to keep the military happy.

Should remain airworthy until after the cheque clears.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 25th, 2014 at 12:04am:
Australia has no evident prospective enemies. May as well buy these flying coffins to keep the military happy.

Should remain airworthy until after the cheque clears.


I think it's to keep interoperability with US forces that is the goal rather than a long arm to keep any prospective enemies at bay. The f35 and f18 are only of use if we have a US lead defence policy and rely on their forward projection. To be an autonomous nation we need to be able to project force a reasonable distance from our shores. Neither the f18 nor the f35 can do that. No, we don't have a "foreseeable" enemy but the airforce we are building will not help us if we need to stand alone.

In fact I think we should do what the Israelis did with the Mirage, to the F-111. Build our own after reverse engineering what we have bought. If a small country like Israel can do it...

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Reply #12 - Apr 25th, 2014 at 2:08am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2014 at 12:17am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 25th, 2014 at 12:04am:
Australia has no evident prospective enemies. May as well buy these flying coffins to keep the military happy.

Should remain airworthy until after the cheque clears.


I think it's to keep interoperability with US forces that is the goal rather than a long arm to keep any prospective enemies at bay. The f35 and f18 are only of use if we have a US lead defence policy and rely on their forward projection. To be an autonomous nation we need to be able to project force a reasonable distance from our shores. Neither the f18 nor the f35 can do that. No, we don't have a "foreseeable" enemy but the airforce we are building will not help us if we need to stand alone.

In fact I think we should do what the Israelis did with the Mirage, to the F-111. Build our own after reverse engineering what we have bought. If a small country like Israel can do it...



I see a problem there:
   Israel has a committed and resourceful leadership, we have Abbot and his ilk.
  Israel has an experienced and determined military establishment with promotion by merit, we have...well, what we have, with promotion by politicking and arse kissing.
Ain't gunna happen mate, more's the pity.
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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2014 at 3:02am
 
austranger wrote on Apr 25th, 2014 at 2:08am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 25th, 2014 at 12:17am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 25th, 2014 at 12:04am:
Australia has no evident prospective enemies. May as well buy these flying coffins to keep the military happy.

Should remain airworthy until after the cheque clears.


I think it's to keep interoperability with US forces that is the goal rather than a long arm to keep any prospective enemies at bay. The f35 and f18 are only of use if we have a US lead defence policy and rely on their forward projection. To be an autonomous nation we need to be able to project force a reasonable distance from our shores. Neither the f18 nor the f35 can do that. No, we don't have a "foreseeable" enemy but the airforce we are building will not help us if we need to stand alone.

In fact I think we should do what the Israelis did with the Mirage, to the F-111. Build our own after reverse engineering what we have bought. If a small country like Israel can do it...



I see a problem there:
   Israel has a committed and resourceful leadership, we have Abbot and his ilk.
  Israel has an experienced and determined military establishment with promotion by merit, we have...well, what we have, with promotion by politicking and arse kissing.
Ain't gunna happen mate, more's the pity.
Cry


I agree with you but it does not diminish what I see as in our interests, in fact it bolsters it.
Mores the pity indeed. Undecided
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Re: 8 engineering reasons not to buy F-35 aircraft.
Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2014 at 9:06am
 
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do you remember in the seventies british leyland made a car called the TR7, they also made the TR8 for the american market, both these cars where rubbish...

all bad design faults,just like lockheed u.k.  who made the brake systems for  these vehicles,in the u.k.

lockheed martin will be the maker of the rubbish F-35 aircraft in america.

history repeating here again.


wake up people of australia.


You meant Leyland P76 .... that was the lemon car here.
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