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Reply #60 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:18pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

It's not blackmail.
France is perfectly entitled to choose how it approves energy sourcing.

If they choose to ignore a source which has passed regulatory standards in 23 other developed world nations that's it's lookout.

However therefore it does not get the benefits from an energy source fracked elsewhere.
Their energy prices as a result will need to rise.
Their choice.

If the industry agreed to not supply them with gas until they allowed fracking, it is blackmail. They should be allowed to buy anything on the market that is legally for sale. N'est pas?

http://csgfreenorthernrivers.org/

Bentley blockade: Damn them hippies! Roll Eyes

More to come, I suppose.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16953 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #61 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:06pm Another dirty hippy! Where do these people spring from!? Chemicals, Climate and Unconventional Gas by Dr Mariann Lloyd-Smith
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration Reply #62 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:17pm I think you overplay the hippy card. That's not how it's viewed. More that we as an industry of educating people that as a source it is no more dangerous than regular drilling now and safeguards are in place.
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Reply #63 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

I think you overplay the hippy card.
That's not how it's viewed.

More that we as an industry of educating people that as a source it is no more dangerous than regular drilling now and safeguards are in place.

Why? Aren't all environmentalists dirty hippies? Not farmers, business people, doctors, all sections of the community here, 87% of them? That's certainly the way it's portrayed by the opponents here all to often. Don't like a bit of sarcasm? I'm quite a fan of it myself. Forgive us if we don't believe you, we'll go on what you have done as what you said then was it was safe and it's the same as you are saying now, why should we believe you? I think any sane person would be a fool to believe your "new beaut ways" are all good. Roll Eyes

edit: Surely you don't imagine that all these "hippies", 87% of the community in a small city and it's University(SCU) researchers are crazy mad conspiracy nuts and should just believe you? Shocked

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Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration
Reply #64 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:31pm

Nothing is 100% safe.
But being in one of the highest regulated sectors in the world we can guarantee that all can be done is being done.

There are outlet release valves placed at each 25m points on the upstream release sectors.
The fracking process has been shortened to burst levels of 50% previous processes.
Testing of the surrounds are taken daily now as part of processes at point of delivery and source.

All of the data is recorded and tracked to stay below minimal natural occurring pollution levels.

Maybe all those things?

All US Environment Agency approved.

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Reply #65 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:38pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

Nothing is 100% safe.
But being in one of the highest regulated sectors in the world we can guarantee that all can be done is being done.

There are outlet release valves placed at each 25m points on the upstream release sectors.
The fracking process has been shortened to burst levels of 50% previous processes.
Testing of the surrounds are taken daily now as part of processes at point of delivery and source.

All of the data is recorded and tracked to stay below minimal natural occurring pollution levels.

Maybe all those things?

All US Environment Agency approved.

The Tara gas fields don't agree with you. Are you saying, meh, that was then, this is now and we're much better now? It doesn't cut it Andrei.

The main thing you don't get is that the people don't want it, they have seen what Tara is like, many have visited there, it's not far away. Should foreign gas needs/wants override our needs/wants here? Should business interests outweigh the population they operate in? What rights do the people on the land, the farmers, and the people that consume their produce have? Do we have or should we have a business dictatorship?

Edit: If you want to test your theory that anyone can be bought, try buying of some of the locals here. Sure you might get a few but that saying, "everyone has a price" is used by people like you and is projection. You have a price, therefore everyone has a price. I don't agree with you, try and buy me.

Edit2: You just convinced me to donate more money to feed the blockaders. Feel free to give me a warning/delete if the following is against the rules..
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Please share this information if you live in the Northern Rivers Region.

This is NOT an alert. The word on the ground at Bentley is that this coming Monday morning 31st March is a likely time for authorities to move in. This move will likely take place early in the morning, perhaps 5am and involve police officers moving protectors on.

The more people on the ground the better. This date is only a guess and things could start moving at any time soon. If you can put aside some time and be ready to drive out early in the morning, this is the best and most effective way any of us can contribute!

The people on the ground at Bentley need three (3) things most:

(A) Food
(B) Shelter
(C) Money

You can donate directly to the anti-CSG fight via the following account:

Summerland Credit Union
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Name: Nimbin Environment Centre

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Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration
Reply #66 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:26pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

I think you overplay the hippy card.
That's not how it's viewed.

More that we as an industry of educating people that as a source it is no more dangerous than regular drilling now and safeguards are in place.

Yeah - but the fact remains that it is being syphoned off overseas for the profit of your company and is not going to Australians first.... while our gas prices will rise anyway.

Might as well stop it right there.....

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Reply #67 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:36pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

I think you overplay the hippy card.
That's not how it's viewed.

More that we as an industry of educating people that as a source it is no more dangerous than regular drilling now and safeguards are in place.

Yeah - but the fact remains that it is being syphoned off overseas for the profit of your company and is not going to Australians first.... while our gas prices will rise anyway.

Might as well stop it right there.....

This is exactly why they are dredging the Great Barrier Reef. To make a port deep enough to sell it offshore at world parity pricing. There is a pipeline planned to move the gas from here, north through QLD to Gladstone.

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Reply #68 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:54pm

I was not of the view that we Australians were put here to subsidise and advance the profits of international companies..... and pay their prices at 'world parity' for our own resources.

I believe the time has come for this entire process of 'licensing' to be reviewed and set right so as to benefit us first, if and when any such venture is totally safe and totally non-intrusive on the land and people.

If we must needs play on some mythical 'global market' - then we will do so on the basis of setting the prices for our products - those who do not wish to buy can go elsewhere.

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Reply #70 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:15pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

I was not of the view that we Australians were put here to subsidise and advance the profits of international companies..... and pay their prices at 'world parity' for our own resources.

I believe the time has come for this entire process of 'licensing' to be reviewed and set right so as to benefit us first, if and when any such venture is totally safe and totally non-intrusive on the land and people.

If we must needs play on some mythical 'global market' - then we will do so on the basis of setting the prices for our products - those who do not wish to buy can go elsewhere.

Never underestimate the worshippers of Mammon, their faith is supreme. Undecided

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Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration
Reply #71 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Your locals are nothing to do with us mate.

Our hydraulic fracking is done by JV in Australia

Nothing to do with your lot but you have subsidiaries doing your work? Shocked

Yep you make sense, sorry Andrei! Wink

Edit: Just to make it perfectly clear about what I think of your excuse..
I didn't murder anyone, I paid a hitman, I'm innocent! Nothing to do with me!

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Re: NSW govt freezes CSG exploration
Reply #72 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 1:03am

Setanta wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Your locals are nothing to do with us mate.

Our hydraulic fracking is done by JV in Australia

Nothing to do with your lot but you have subsidiaries doing your work? Shocked

Yep you make sense, sorry Andrei! Wink

Edit: Just to make it perfectly clear about what I think of your excuse..
I didn't murder anyone, I paid a hitman, I'm innocent! Nothing to do with me!

A JV is not a subsidiary!

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Reply #73 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 1:05am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:17pm:

I think you overplay the hippy card.
That's not how it's viewed.

More that we as an industry of educating people that as a source it is no more dangerous than regular drilling now and safeguards are in place.

Yeah - but the fact remains that it is being syphoned off overseas for the profit of your company and is not going to Australians first.... while our gas prices will rise anyway.

Might as well stop it right there.....

You understand that any profits made on sales by the AU&NZ subsidiary in taxed in Australia and - one would assume - then spent to benefit Australians?

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Reply #74 - Mar 31^st, 2014 at 1:16am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

I was not of the view that we Australians were put here to subsidise and advance the profits of international companies..... and pay their prices at 'world parity' for our own resources.

I believe the time has come for this entire process of 'licensing' to be reviewed and set right so as to benefit us first, if and when any such venture is totally safe and totally non-intrusive on the land and people.

If we must needs play on some mythical 'global market' - then we will do so on the basis of setting the prices for our products - those who do not wish to buy can go elsewhere.

Australians should be paying similar prices for Australian gas, relatively speaking (both natural and
CSG, once issues are addressed) to what Saudis pay for Saudi oil, ie sweet frack-all (like the pun?).

This whole 'world parity' scam is exactly that.

We're being scammed.

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