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Islam and Shamanism?
Mar 18^th, 2014 at 9:48am

http://www.ibtimes.com/mh370-malaysian-shaman-performs-ritual-help-find-missing-...

Just wondering if anyone knows anything about this side if Islam.

A Malaysian Bomoh performed a ritual to try and find the missing aircraft that has been all over the news recently, and was decried by many people, most notably social media and more traditional Islamic practitioners.

This bit in particular caught my eye:

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A representative of the Malaysian Prime Minister’s Department said the government welcomes help from anyone, including shamans, so long as their practices don’t undermine Islam, Malaysia’s state religion

Which seems to indicate that shamanism is not necessarily at odds with Islam.

How does this practice fit in with traditional Islamic practice, and how common is it?

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Islam and Shamanism? Reply #1 - Mar 18^th, 2014 at 10:21am Oh, and I forgot to mention, while this is all new to me, during the ceremony, there was a chant of Allahu Akbar, and apparently there is some form of Islamic belief involved in the practice.
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Islam and Shamanism? Reply #2 - Mar 18^th, 2014 at 11:22am Im starting to lose interest with this plane thing. Everyday there is a new story. Alqaeda, chinese ughurs, Iranians, hijack, plane is in Australia, plane is in Afghanistan, plane flew 2 directions, plane is waiting to hit the PETRONAS towers etc etc.
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Reply #3 - Mar 18^th, 2014 at 12:38pm

LOL, reminds me of this photo I got the other day...

I did ask my Malaysian contacts about this, and they think its basically unislamic, but generally harmless.

It should be noted that there is a very strong sort of cult of superstition/mysticism in Malaysia - particularly related to spirits and ghosts. Although there are spirits in islam (jin), this seems to be more pre-islamic. You probably wouldn't find a Malaysian who doesn't have some story about a ghost they saw in the office or their home - and there's always a legend attached to it - this was so and so who died in a tragic accident, and now they haunt this place etc. Also black magic - I lost my wallet today because it was taken out of my pocket by black magic. Commercial TV is full of this sort of thing. Also its not just a malay thing, Chinese are just as superstitious.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #4 - Mar 18^th, 2014 at 1:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 18^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Also its not just a malay thing, Chinese are just as superstitious.

This was my first thought, as the majority of Malays have common ancestry with the Chinese, and the Chinese have all kinds of superstitions regarding numerology etc. until I noticed it was apparently Islamic based with the chanting and such.

Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #5 - Mar 18^th, 2014 at 1:39pm

I don't know much about him, but he has apparently become famous, and has triggered some discussion about whether or not it is "islamic". Basically I think because this is actually "in tune" with a pre-Islamic Malay culture that is still strong in society, then it is more accepted.

Funniest thing was when some islamic person criticised him, and he retorted by saying "I'll slap you like a crocodile" - I know right, who slaps a crocodile? Grin

There's been some jokes on social media about that.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #6 - Mar 19^th, 2014 at 11:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 18^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

It should be noted that there is a very strong sort of cult of superstition/mysticism in Malaysia - particularly related to spirits and ghosts.

Unlike the Arabian jinn-devil worship ritual in Mecca, of running back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, that is still practiced by Muhammad's followers today?

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)
http://www.brotherpete.com/hajj_umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake

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