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Reply #15 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:19am

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

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Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.

you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.

See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.

Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...

The most open and tansparent forms of government are the Three branches of government system! we have tried in the pass to have one, two branches of governments and they simply haven't been as effective nor democratic as the Three branches of government.

Gee, then I would hate to see a system that REALLY LACKS TRANSPARENCY & IS HIGH ON CORRUPTION!

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Re: Three branches of government
Reply #16 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:28am

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.

you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.

See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.

Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...

The most open and tansparent forms of government are the Three branches of government system! we have tried in the pass to have one, two branches of governments and they simply haven't been as effective nor democratic as the Three branches of government.

we have? when? There are many countries with 2 levels of goverment that work fine.

Again, you don't need another layer of government to have transparency. Create and legislate (never to be removed or tampered with) an oversight committe that goverment is answerable to and that has the power to abolish goverment if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position.

When i said we, i didn't mean Australians. There are many countries with 2 levels of government that work fine. however they aren't as effective or transparent as the Three branches of government system. We might complain we want more transparency but in the real world Australia is a very transparent nation for more than most nations.

I agree you don't need another layer of government to have transparency, but it helps divide the power of the nation so no one is too powerful. add a committe that government is answerable to and that has the power to abolish government if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position seems like your adding another branches to government. And what stops the committe if they abused its position, are those in the committe elected?

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Reply #17 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:31am

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.

you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.

See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.

Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...

The most open and tansparent forms of government are the Three branches of government system! we have tried in the pass to have one, two branches of governments and they simply haven't been as effective nor democratic as the Three branches of government.

Gee, then I would hate to see a system that REALLY LACKS TRANSPARENCY & IS HIGH ON CORRUPTION!

Please, lets not talk about labor's and unions corruptionness on this topic..

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Re: Three branches of government
Reply #18 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:35am

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

I agree you don't need another layer of government to have transparency, but it helps divide the power of the nation so no one is too powerful. add a committe that government is answerable to and that has the power to abolish government if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position seems like your adding another branches to government. And what stops the committe if they abused its position, are those in the committe elected?

add a committee and you add perhaps 10 people, add another layer of governemmtn and you've got many thousands more ... vastly different. The details of how the committe is selected and terms they serve can be worked out to minimise any abuse of position .. I don't care if they draw a name out of a hat every 2 years ... the details can be worked out later

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Reply #19 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:43am

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

I agree you don't need another layer of government to have transparency, but it helps divide the power of the nation so no one is too powerful. add a committe that government is answerable to and that has the power to abolish government if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position seems like your adding another branches to government. And what stops the committe if they abused its position, are those in the committe elected?

add a committee and you add perhaps 10 people, add another layer of governemmtn and you've got many thousands more ... vastly different. The details of how the committe is selected and terms they serve can be worked out to minimise any abuse of position .. I don't care if they draw a name out of a hat every 2 years ... the details can be worked out later

You add 10 Jobs, i add thousands of jobs..

if you add a committee you will add 10 people, plus the secretarys, the staffers etc

Plus im not advocating another branches of government. I as well as many other Australia do not feel we have a voice nationally let alone locally, if we expanded our current 6 states to 15 with each with one chamber of 30 members, (for a total well below the current number of state MPs) would be cheaper, much more efficient, more locally relevant and answerable, and more encouraging of citizen engagement than the current structure

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Re: Three branches of government
Reply #20 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

I agree you don't need another layer of government to have transparency, but it helps divide the power of the nation so no one is too powerful. add a committe that government is answerable to and that has the power to abolish government if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position seems like your adding another branches to government. And what stops the committe if they abused its position, are those in the committe elected?

add a committee and you add perhaps 10 people, add another layer of governemmtn and you've got many thousands more ... vastly different. The details of how the committe is selected and terms they serve can be worked out to minimise any abuse of position .. I don't care if they draw a name out of a hat every 2 years ... the details can be worked out later

You add 10 Jobs, i add thousands of jobs..

if you add a committee you will add 10 people, plus the secretarys, the staffers etc

Plus im not advocating another branches of government. I as well as many other Australia do not feel we have a voice nationally let alone locally, if we expanded our current 6 states to 15 with each with one chamber of 30 members, (for a total well below the current number of state MPs) would be cheaper, much more efficient, more locally relevant and answerable, and more encouraging of citizen engagement than the current structure

I can see your point, however I don't agree with it. I think we need less levels of government not more.

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Re: Three branches of government
Reply #21 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:57am

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:35am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

I agree you don't need another layer of government to have transparency, but it helps divide the power of the nation so no one is too powerful. add a committe that government is answerable to and that has the power to abolish government if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position seems like your adding another branches to government. And what stops the committe if they abused its position, are those in the committe elected?

add a committee and you add perhaps 10 people, add another layer of governemmtn and you've got many thousands more ... vastly different. The details of how the committe is selected and terms they serve can be worked out to minimise any abuse of position .. I don't care if they draw a name out of a hat every 2 years ... the details can be worked out later

You add 10 Jobs, i add thousands of jobs..

if you add a committee you will add 10 people, plus the secretarys, the staffers etc

Plus im not advocating another branches of government. I as well as many other Australia do not feel we have a voice nationally let alone locally, if we expanded our current 6 states to 15 with each with one chamber of 30 members, (for a total well below the current number of state MPs) would be cheaper, much more efficient, more locally relevant and answerable, and more encouraging of citizen engagement than the current structure

I can see your point, however I don't agree with it. I think we need less levels of government not more.

How about more state governments, but with structural limits placed on both Federal and state government. limiting their growth, so they can only grow so big depending on population size and economical growth, that way we man make sure that these new and old government institution don't bloat?

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Re: Three branches of government
Reply #22 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:03am

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:12am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Pantheon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.

you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.

See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.

Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...

The most open and tansparent forms of government are the Three branches of government system! we have tried in the pass to have one, two branches of governments and they simply haven't been as effective nor democratic as the Three branches of government.

Gee, then I would hate to see a system that REALLY LACKS TRANSPARENCY & IS HIGH ON CORRUPTION!

Please, lets not talk about labor's and unions corruptionness on this topic..

I didn't, YOU DID!

I referred to a system that REALLY LACKS TRANSPARENCY & IS HIGH ON CORRUPTION, which had no reference to Labor or Liberal or other party's, because the problem is endemic to all party's.

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Re: Three branches of government
Reply #23 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:06am

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:03am: