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Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:34am
 
There have been talks in the past about the need or want to abolish the local branches of government and even the state branches of government. however i say that all 3 levels are important to our democracy.

Having three branches of government allows the government to have a system of checks and balances. This system makes it so that one branch cannot become too powerful, and each branch can only have so much power. This is to assure that the government is not ruled by just one person or one ruler, and decisions are made based on what the citizens of the country want.

Do you agree or disagree?
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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:37am
 
State government should be abolished, with local governments changed to regional governments. ... the only purpose is of state govt's is to create red tape and give the other forms of government someone to blame.  There is nothing state govts. can do that can't be done over by federal and regional govt's, and it can be done much more efficiently
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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:44am
 
Abolish Local Councils!

Retain State & Federal, for the moment, IF they stop acting for themselves & start acting in the Best,Long Term interests of the entire OZ Public!

In the interim, VOTE OUT, ALL INCUMBENTS!
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:46am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:44am:
Abolish Local Councils!

Retain State & Federal, for the moment, IF they stop acting for themselves & start acting in the Best,Long Term interests of the entire OZ Public!

In the interim, VOTE OUT, ALL INCUMBENTS!


given the size of most of the states, you are talking about too wide and varied a range of issues to be dealt with properly on a state level .. thats why I prefer the idea of regional councils to replace local govts, and abolish state govts altogether.
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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:49am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:37am:
State government should be abolished, with local governments changed to regional governments. ... the only purpose is of state govt's is to create red tape and give the other forms of government someone to blame.  There is nothing state govts. can do that can't be done over by federal and regional govt's, and it can be done much more efficiently


Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively.

Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:44am:
Abolish Local Councils!

Retain State & Federal, for the moment, IF they stop acting for themselves & start acting in the Best,Long Term interests of the entire OZ Public!

In the interim, VOTE OUT, ALL INCUMBENTS!


With such large states, with out local Councils how will the local rural worker ever be heard? our states are extremely centralized, and unless you live in or near a major city, you wont be heard.
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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:44am:
Abolish Local Councils!

Retain State & Federal, for the moment, IF they stop acting for themselves & start acting in the Best,Long Term interests of the entire OZ Public!

In the interim, VOTE OUT, ALL INCUMBENTS!


given the size of most of the states, you are talking about too wide and varied a range of issues to be dealt with properly on a state level .. thats why I prefer the idea of regional councils to replace local govts, and abolish state govts altogether.


States are far more important than Local Councils, With states, the people are about to 'vote' with their feet, and move to another state if they feel they are no long safe or represented in that state, as well states allow federal governments to test new programs and schemes, without the threat of negatively effecting the majority of the economy.
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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:53am
 
Double post.
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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:54am
 
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.


you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.
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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:57am
 
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:52am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:46am:
perceptions_now wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:44am:
Abolish Local Councils!

Retain State & Federal, for the moment, IF they stop acting for themselves & start acting in the Best,Long Term interests of the entire OZ Public!

In the interim, VOTE OUT, ALL INCUMBENTS!


given the size of most of the states, you are talking about too wide and varied a range of issues to be dealt with properly on a state level .. thats why I prefer the idea of regional councils to replace local govts, and abolish state govts altogether.


States are far more important than Local Councils, With states, the people are about to 'vote' with their feet, and move to another state if they feel they are no long safe or represented in that state, as well states allow federal governments to test new programs and schemes, without the threat of negatively effecting the majority of the economy.


Federal governments will still be able to test programmes on a regional level. I don't believe states are necessary, in fact, In my opinion they are almost obsolete and serve no real purpose other than feathering a few caps.
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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:59am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.


you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.


See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting  one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.

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Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:34am:
There have been talks in the past about the need or want to abolish the local branches of government and even the state branches of government. however i say that all 3 levels are important to our democracy.

Having three branches of government allows the government to have a system of checks and balances. This system makes it so that one branch cannot become too powerful, and each branch can only have so much power. This is to assure that the government is not ruled by just one person or one ruler, and decisions are made based on what the citizens of the country want.

Do you agree or disagree?


Diversity is one of the single most important elements that would relate to survival of a culture. But, if given the chance our Aussie culture will eliminate all that isn't in conformity with it, (an aspect of the tall poppy thing) including the states. Destroyed, all for the sake of a quick buck, and the primal urge to 'vandalize' structures/things of beauty.  Yes, leave it to 'the Aussie',  and there wouldn't be a structure left standing, except of course 'barbies', outhouses and corrugated tin lean-tos. The harbor bridge would be sold off (to the Chinese) for scrap, the Opera House demolished for the sake of it and to save on maintenance. Only the one bland society (all clad in green-yellow safety vests) would be tolerated under the Aussie rules.

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Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:59am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.


you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.


See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting  one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.



Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...
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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:12am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:37am:
State government should be abolished, with local governments changed to regional governments. ... the only purpose is of state govt's is to create red tape and give the other forms of government someone to blame.  There is nothing state govts. can do that can't be done over by federal and regional govt's, and it can be done much more efficiently



Exactly.

This is most obvious to me along the length of the Murray were comminutes that are intrinsically linked by geography are controlled by different state governments.

Any decision made about Mildura (Victoria) has a huge effect on smaller cross border towns like Buronga, Wentworth and Gol Gol (NSW) - These areas should be "regions" in the commonwealth, not cut in half by state borders and state governments.
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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:12am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:06am:
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:59am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.


you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.


See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting  one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.



Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...


The most open and tansparent forms of government are the Three branches of government system! we have tried in the pass to have one, two branches of governments and they simply haven't been as effective nor democratic as the Three branches of government.
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Reply #14 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:17am
 
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:12am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 9:06am:
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:59am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:54am:
Pantheon wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Wouldn't it be better if we made more State governments, local Councils doesn't have the power, influence and the institutions to govern effectively. Remember by abolishing State government, that responsibility would be handed to the federal government, and the major checks and balances we have to keep our government in line would be abolished along with the state government.


you are talking about changing the system and then use faults with the current system for your arguments ... of course if we abolish states we would have to reorganise and legislate the roles of regional and federal. You can't go in half cocked ... if we change, we have to change it all and start again. Throw out our constitution and re write it to something that would work.


See, i think we do need the three branches of government, as it best provides the system of checks and balances that a strong and healthy democracy needs as well as perverting  one branch cannot become too powerful.

Eliminating any of the three branches of government, could result it one branch becoming too powerful.



Nah, we can always put in checks and balances ... we don't need another level of government to do so. Everything all goverments do should be open and tansparent ...


The most open and tansparent forms of government are the Three branches of government system! we have tried in the pass to have one, two branches of governments and they simply haven't been as effective nor democratic as the Three branches of government.


we have? when? There are many countries with 2 levels of goverment that work fine.

Again, you don't need another layer of government to have transparency. Create and legislate (never to be removed or tampered with) an oversight committe that goverment is answerable to and that has the power to abolish goverment if it finds any govt. (federal or regional) has abused its position.
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