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Reply #15 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 10:01pm

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Are there many comedians who target Islam? I can understand why some would be afraid to. Just look at what happened to the people involved in that dodgy youtube video.

Still, it is a great shame, because it means the threats, intimidation and violence by Muslims work, which only encourages them to use threats, intimidation and violence to silence critics.

Violence 'works'.

Pacifism in the face of violence and aggression leads only to death and slavery.

In saying that, it is not a justification for violence.

But it is a [reasoned] justification to use violence, to protect what is innocent and precious, from the designs of wicked and violent men.

If not, then we need to close and abolish our courts of law, to disband our police forces, and to disband our defence forces.

Or not!

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Reply #17 - Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 11:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 7:11am:

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Adelaide Fringe Festival organisers say they will not cancel a Melbourne comedian's show that has come under fire as being anti-Christian.

Josh Ladgrove's one-man show, Come Heckle Christ, will feature at the festival later this month despite more than a dozen official complaints.

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The obvious question is why not ramp up the humour potential with a comedy piece entitled 'Come Heckle Muhammed' ... ?

Surely that would attract a greater audience response'? Cool

Why not, it worked for George Carlin

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Reply #18 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 5:12am

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Can you show me in the article where it showed muslims complained about the event?

er ... no, I can't.

This 'comedian' has inadvertently (or not?) highlighted the fact that while lampooning Christianity and Christ as an exercise in 'fringe comedy' humour it carries no threat to his body if not his soul ~ the converse is true if he should dare to treat Islam and the Prophet Muhammad with the same casual flippancy for laughs.

On the one hand he is mildly rebuked by a scattering of Christians in the community, while on the otherhand there would be calls for him to be BEHEADED, and a death-fatwa put out on him.

Can you see the difference, Wally?

Please get back to me if it's still not clear to you what the implications are that this 'comedian' chose not to ridicule the founder of the Islamic religion.

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Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 6:30am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 5:12am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Can you show me in the article where it showed muslims complained about the event?

er ... no, I can't.

This 'comedian' has inadvertently (or not?) highlighted the fact that while lampooning Christianity and Christ as an exercise in 'fringe comedy' humour carries no threat to his body if not his soul ~ the converse is true if he should dare to treat Islam and the Prophet Muhammad with the same casual flippancy for laughs.

On the one hand he is mildly rebuked by a scattering of Christians in the community, while on the otherhand there would be calls for him to be BEHEADED, and a death-fatwa put out on him.

Can you see the difference, Wally?

Please get back to me if it's still not clear to you what the implications are that this 'comedian' chose not to ridicule the founder of the Islamic religion.

I regularly watch Australian stand up comedy and I have heard them criticise islam and muslims.Wheres the muslim outrage?

Geert wilders came to australia criticizing islam and muslims?.Where was the Australian muslims violence and beheadings before,during or after his trip to Australia?

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Reply #20 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:16am

wally1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 6:30am:

I regularly watch Australian stand up comedy and I have heard them criticise islam and muslims.Wheres the muslim outrage?

Non-Muslim and Muslim comics satirise non-Muslim 'hysteria' about 'all Muslims being terrorists' ~ etc, but none of the humour is ever dirrected at Muslims themselves.

wally1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 6:30am:

Geert wilders came to australia criticizing islam and muslims?.Where was the Australian muslims violence and beheadings before,during or after his trip to Australia

It was strangely quiet, and I'll have to concede this point to you. The usual Socialist Alliance ratbags were there, fighting with the police ~ but the 'BEHEAD THEM' Muslims took a back seat on this one.

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IF Geert Wilders is wrong, let his critics explain next month's "Islamic Peace Conference" at the Melbourne Showgrounds.

I've checked what huge billboards around Melbourne claim is the "largest ever Islamic Conference in the history of Australia", at which 20,000 people are expected.

I've checked what the "chief guest" - Sheikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Sudais, imam of Mecca's Grand Mosque - has said of Jews: "The scum of the human race, the rats of the world, . . . the offspring of apes and pigs" whom God should "terminate".

I've checked what other invited speakers have said about killing gays, beating women to make them "shape up", executing apostates and supporting terrorists.

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Islamists have been jailed after plotting his death. Another Islamist used a knife to pin a note to the body of slaughtered film director Theo van Gogh, warning Wilders would be next.

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His Melbourne speech was blockaded by violent protesters. His Perth speech was called off when the venue became one of 30 to cancel for fear of reprisals.

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But in a recorded speech in December, Razvi said one of the speakers he had invited for the conference was Indian sheikh Zakir Naik, "my boss's boss", who has a very different line on terrorism.

A YouTube clip shows Naik declaring: "If (late terrorist chief Osama bin Laden) is fighting the enemies of Islam, I am for him." He adds: "Every Muslim should be a terrorist."

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Another invited speaker is Sheikh Assim Al-Hakeem, who says "homosexuality is an abnormality" to be punished by death.

He says polygamy is allowed, genital mutilation of girls "recommended", and wives refusing their husbands sex "a sin".

Leaving Islam "is apostasy and it is punishable by death in an Islamic society".

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Another speaker, Abu Hamza, head of the Islamic Information Services Network of Australasia, also says women "must respond" if their husbands want sex and could be beaten "to shape them up".

"Don't hit your wife," Hamza says on YouTube, before instructing men to do so in an Islamic way as a "last resort" without causing bruising or bleeding: "The beating the prophet Mohammed showed is like the toothbrush."

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Wally ~ please do NOT be alarmed by the above revelations.

We have Gandalf's hand-on-heart assurances that the guests at this Melbourne Muslim jamboree are NOT real Muslims, and that the expected 20,000 in attendance will NOT be real Muslims.

REAL Muslims behave like Christians ~ NOT like the phoney MUSLIMS who will be giving speeches, and applauding with screams of "ALLAHU AKBAR ~ BEHEAD THE INFIDELS!"

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Reply #21 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:41am

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

It's the self-immolating vandalism of Leftwing PC dogma that's on display here with this pathetic delinquent.

It's a stereotype of how the Left believe it to be ideologically chic and 'progressive' to trash ones own cultural heritage and sacred institutions ~ while at the same time being very careful not to offend the heritage and dignity of the ethnic minorities.

This is what we witness again and again in the attitude and behaviour of the neurotically self-demeaning leftwingers.

Can you show me in the article where it showed muslims complained about the event?

What event? Would you like a link to the violent worldwide protests that followed the Muhammed cartoons and that dodgy youtube video?

No other religious group gets away with such blind rage and hostility. Islam manages to because it considers it part of the religion and demands everyone respect them for it.

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Reply #22 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:54am

Pete Waldo wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 11:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 9:06am:

Terrorist Gets Smacked Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjp0l7M-P5M

Link didn't work so I YouTube searched your title and found another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBEOc0fv28

Thanks Pete.

In recent years, if i d/l and view a YT, i always add the YT title and the link address, to a text file i keep.
That way, if i see a YT link being offered by someone online, i can quickly search my text file and see if i have previously d/l and viewed the YT file.
The link i posted, was from when i first d/l that YT.

YTD - YouTube Downloader
is a YT downloader i use, it seems OK to me.

http://www.youtubedownloadersite.com/help.html

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Reply #23 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:05am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 5:12am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Can you show me in the article where it showed muslims complained about the event?

er ... no, I can't.

This 'comedian' has inadvertently (or not?) highlighted the fact that while lampooning Christianity and Christ as an exercise in 'fringe comedy' humour carries no threat to his body if not his soul ~ the converse is true if he should dare to treat Islam and the Prophet Muhammad with the same casual flippancy for laughs.

On the one hand he is mildly rebuked by a scattering of Christians in the community, while on the otherhand there would be calls for him to be BEHEADED, and a death-fatwa put out on him.

Can you see the difference, Wally?

Please get back to me if it's still not clear to you what the implications are that this 'comedian' chose not to ridicule the founder of the Islamic religion.

Rest assured Herbert, if any comedian in Australia was ever beheaded for lampooning Mohammed or for satirising ISLAM, the perpetrators who committed such an act WOULD NOT BE REAL MOSLEMS!! Tongue

So you see Herbert, Australian's have nothing to fear from us, real moslems. Tongue

Isn't that right, wally1, gandalf, et al ???

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Reply #24 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:11am

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

It's the self-immolating vandalism of Leftwing PC dogma that's on display here with this pathetic delinquent.

It's a stereotype of how the Left believe it to be ideologically chic and 'progressive' to trash ones own cultural heritage and sacred institutions ~ while at the same time being very careful not to offend the heritage and dignity of the ethnic minorities.

This is what we witness again and again in the attitude and behaviour of the neurotically self-demeaning leftwingers.

Can you show me in the article where it showed muslims complained about the event?

What event? Would you like a link to the violent worldwide protests that followed the Muhammed cartoons and that dodgy youtube video?

No other religious group gets away with such blind rage and hostility. Islam manages to because it considers it part of the religion and demands everyone respect them for it.

Is that why all the rioters got arrested?

I have no sympathy for the violent protesters.

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Reply #26 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:27am

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:16am:

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Islamists have been jailed after plotting his death. Another Islamist used a knife to pin a note to the body of slaughtered film director Theo van Gogh, warning Wilders would be next.

Herbert,

In the case of Theo van Gogh, you can NOT blame moslems for that!

We moslems denounce extremism and violence and we condemn the murder of all innocent people!!!

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence....

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

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In the Hadith, on more than one occasion Mohammed secures the political assassination of persons who have criticised him.....

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?"....."

bukhari #005.059.369

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If Allah is the god of all creation, how can a mortal man, hurt him ????

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Reply #27 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:52am

It is dumb [for us] to allow homicidal maniacs to live among us, as though they were NOT homicidal maniacs.

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

People who are tolerant of evil, have no one except themselves to blame, when violence and murder 'comes knocking at their door'.

Our society is sick and evil, for, tolerating such evil among us.

The reason that we tolerate a great evil among us, is because we have become evil ourselves.

Much worse is coming to our shores.

Why wouldn't it be ?

It is just scientific.

Doesn't the universe itself, and even high school science, teach us, that we will not escape the consequences of our poor choices ???

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Newton's Third Law of Motion

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Isaiah 66:14
And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

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Reply #28 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:12am

Yadda wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

People who are tolerant of evil, have no one except themselves to blame, when violence and murder 'comes knocking at their door'.

Our society is sick and evil, for, tolerating such evil among us.

The reason that we tolerate a great evil among us, is because we have become evil ourselves.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Isaiah 66:14
And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.

Psalms 119:1
ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

Isaiah 48:17
Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
19 Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me.
20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.
21 And they thirsted not when he led them through the deserts: he caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them: he clave the rock also, and the waters gushed out.
22 There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

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Reply #29 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 7:26pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 9:11am:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:41am:

wally1 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 7:19pm:

It's the self-immolating vandalism of Leftwing PC dogma that's on display here with this pathetic delinquent.

It's a stereotype of how the Left believe it to be ideologically chic and 'progressive' to trash ones own cultural heritage and sacred institutions ~ while at the same time being very careful not to offend the heritage and dignity of the ethnic minorities.

This is what we witness again and again in the attitude and behaviour of the neurotically self-demeaning leftwingers.

Can you show me in the article where it showed muslims complained about the event?

What event? Would you like a link to the violent worldwide protests that followed the Muhammed cartoons and that dodgy youtube video?

No other religious group gets away with such blind rage and hostility. Islam manages to because it considers it part of the religion and demands everyone respect them for it.

Is that why all the rioters got arrested?

I have no sympathy for the violent protesters.

You apparently have no sympathy for the people whose freedom of speech is being eroded by them either.Do you think that arresting violent Muslims means people are free to speak on mind on Islam and Muhammed, and even make a career lampooning them?

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