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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Pickering again not afraid to upset the luvvies .. Reply #90 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:01pm Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:51pm: Rightly so, because the "asylum seekers" are neither bona fide tourists, nor bona fide asylum seekers. They are moslem economic refugees [without any identified employment skills], Any evidence? At all?
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Reply #91 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

"Oh i'm a refugee, and i need to get rid of my identity documents because that will help to prove that i'm a bona fide refugee - YES, AS A LEGITIMATE REFUGEE, I CAN SEE THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!

Never said it did. it doesn't prove they are genuine, it doesn't prove they aren't.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #92 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:08pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

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If he was wrong then he lied.

Well done Baron *claps hands*

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

if they fly into Indonesia with a passport they could take the cheaper option of flying into Australia

yes Baron - all they have to do is get a tourist visa from the Australian government - which they will not grant, but that doesn't matter does it?

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 12:32pm:

Of course the leftists will say liberals are liars if they say something that is not true, a bit of a double standard from the leftists IMO.

It would be double standards if your strawman wasn't a strawman. But it is - none of the "leftists" here are claiming Bob Carr didn't lie - he did lie, and he did it to get the sympathies of the bigots - who will happily ingest all the baseless, ignorant innuendo against refugees - because they are thick-headed bigots who don't care about the facts- only innuendo against tinted people.

Did Carr's lie make you feel tempted to vote labor Baron? Just asking.

I have voted Labor in the past when i was young and stupid, we all make mistakes nobody is perfect,i dont vote by party i vote by who deals with issues that concern me

Australia promotes itself as a tourist destination, i call bullshit on not being able to get a tourist visa, perhaps they fail the background check for tourist visas, Mike Tyson and Snoop Dog have difficulty with visas because of criminal convictions in the USA

It would be difficult to 'qualify' for a tourist visa, without any identity documents too!
[...though i have heard it reported that the "refugees" destroy their ID docs after leaving indonesia]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #93 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 6:56pm:

"Oh i'm a refugee, and i need to get rid of my identity documents because that will help to prove that i'm a bona fide refugee - YES, AS A LEGITIMATE REFUGEE, I CAN SEE THAT THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!

Never said it did. it doesn't prove they are genuine, it doesn't prove they aren't.

Stratos,

It DOES prove,

that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

Duh!!!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #94 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:19pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

People smugglers take them as part of the agreement. This proves neither that they are genuine or otherwise.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #95 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:34pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

People smugglers take them as part of the agreement.

Why would a person claiming to be refugee surrender/dispose of their identity documents - except for nefarious purposes - when those identity documents could help to prove their claims ?

It doesn't make sense - to a reasonable person.i Quote:

This [disposing of their identity documents] proves neither that they are genuine or otherwise.

Stratos,

It DOES prove,

that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

Duh!!!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #96 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:42pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

It DOES prove, that they DO NOT want to disclose their true identity, to the Australian authorities, who are charged with determining their claims !!!

People smugglers take them as part of the agreement.

Why would a person claiming to be refugee surrender/dispose of their identity documents - except for nefarious purposes - when those identity documents could help to prove their claims ?

It doesn't make sense - to a reasonable person.

"except for nefarious purposes"

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are surrendering their identity documents which will become a facility [i.e. providing the means] for providing false identities to others!!!

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are engaging in criminal activities - in facilitating a trade in false identities.

They are persons with demonstrated criminal inclinations.

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Reply #97 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

All this is very interesting distraction Yadda, but you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that the refugees are economic migrants, or even that they are not refugees.

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are engaging in criminal activities - in facilitating a trade in false identities.

It is not illegal to do this for the purposes of seeking asylum.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #98 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

All this is very interesting distraction Yadda, but you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence that the refugees are economic migrants, or even that they are not refugees.

Yeah, they are just poor refugees.

And each of them has $10's K, and are able to travel 1/2 way around the planet - just to find a place of sanctuary. Tongue

......just so as to come live among filthy infidels.

......coz moslems are really friendly people.

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193i

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Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

These persons who are claiming to be refugees are engaging in criminal activities - in facilitating a trade in false identities.

It is not illegal to do this for the purposes of seeking asylum.

And murder people who don't believe what you believe ?

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Reply #99 - Feb 27^th, 2014 at 8:12pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Yeah, they are just poor refugees.

Being poor has nothing to do with being a refugee

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

And each of them has $10's K, and are able to travel 1/2 way around the planet - just to find a place of sanctuary.

neither does being rich

And a lot of Biblical verses which prove nothing about the legitimacy of refugees.

Try harder Yadda, you have no leg to stand on, just like Bob Carr

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Pickering again not afraid to upset the luvvies .. Reply #100 - Feb 28^th, 2014 at 4:30pm My my, isn't it quiet in here. You all seemed so sure, wonder where you all went....
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Reply #101 - Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 7:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:48am:

Have you noticed the sulky petulance and the recourse to childish exaggeration and the angry silliness the Truth Deniers here are left with as their only response to the likes of Ackerman, Bolt, Pickering, Pat Condell, Miranda Devine, Melanie Phillips, Mark Steyne and the scores of other Post-Political Correctness scribes?

They're a little tardy in abandoning the Pop Cult PC industry for the Junk Ideology that it always was.

While most thinking people have broken free of the artificial constraints imposed upon them by the now-defunct cult of PC dogma, there are still far too many who are reluctant to relinquish the vain delusions of moral superiority that this cult allowed them.

Come on you guys! Take your hand off it and use your brain for critical analysis instead of letting it stagnate as a repository for defunct leftwing ideologies.

Herbert believes what these people write because he wants to believe. They share the same prejudices.

Whether their scribblings are true, or false, is incidental.

Bolt, for one, has been shown on more than one occasion to be careless with the truth, lazy and failing to check his sources.

Doesn't matter. Herbert will believe him, anyway.

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