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Reply #15 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

Yeah, it is funny and shows the desperation some feel to discredit AGW.

But global temperatures have been climbing all the time.

Even if we do go into a “little ice age” (doubt it) emissions are still growing (might accelerate as more fuel burned to heat houses and workplaces etc) and the oceans are still acidifying. To Adelaideans this week the thought of an iceage has its attractions LOL!

And if you read the story the sun heats up to a point then cools down, only this time its a little early.
Its one thing all the global warming alarmist always leave out of the equation is that the heat that the sun puts off changes the temperature of our planet. The fact that the sun has been warming for quite some time just shows the carbon had nothing to do with it.

Especially as the solar maxima means we get 1% more heat from the sun. I am afraid it really IS carbon and other GHGs heating the globe.

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Reply #16 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

That's good news - it might help to ward off global warming.

So you'd think. Unfortunately:

and it ain't getting any cooler.

We should probably be heading into the next ice age, but:

Notice that the current interglacial seems longer than the others? Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 122487 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ice age on its way... Reply #17 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:06pm Quote: and it ain't getting any cooler. I hope you're wrong.
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Reply #18 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:23pm

A few observations -
1) We are now at or past the average times pan, when the climate has shifted, over the last 450,000 years.
2) There may be a number of reasons for that, but one SHOULD consider that the cycle MAY be breaking and this could lead to a Venus style Planetary climate on the up side OR it MAY be that the Ice Age has only been delayed a little, possibly by our build up of GHG's.
3) Either way, humanity & many other species live within a "Goldilocks Climate Range" and WHEN (not if) the climate breaks out of the current "Goldilocks Climate Range" that we have enjoyed for some time now and that has seen our numbers flourish, our existence will become much more difficult.
4) When we do break out of the "Goldilocks Climate Range", our current Local & Global Economic structures will become totally redundant, as/and our Population levels will reduce quickly & significantly.
5) There is no validity to the assertion that a break out on the Climate up side will be any better than a break out on the Climate downside.
Either way the future of humanity will come under great stress & either way our survival can not be guaranteed!

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Ice age on its way... Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:24pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:06pm: Quote: and it ain't getting any cooler. I hope you're wrong. Me too. Unfortunately, as far as I know: the vast majority of the best qualified say the planet continues to warm and not one organisation of reputable scientists on the planet disagrees with them.
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Reply #20 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:54pm

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

That's good news - it might help to ward off global warming.

So you'd think. Unfortunately:
http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/cru_2005.gif
and it ain't getting any cooler.

We should probably be heading into the next ice age, but:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Interglacials.gif
Notice that the current interglacial seems longer than the others? Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

The current interglacial being longer than the others due to burning of fossil fuels by humans?
You absolutely sure you want to run with that?

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Reply #21 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:12pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

A few observations -
1) We are now at or past the average times pan, when the climate has shifted, over the last 450,000 years.
2) There may be a number of reasons for that, but one SHOULD consider that the cycle MAY be breaking and this could lead to a Venus style Planetary climate on the up side OR it MAY be that the Ice Age has only been delayed a little, possibly by our build up of GHG's.
3) Either way, humanity & many other species live within a "Goldilocks Climate Range" and WHEN (not if) the climate breaks out of the current "Goldilocks Climate Range" that we have enjoyed for some time now and that has seen our numbers flourish, our existence will become much more difficult.
4) When we do break out of the "Goldilocks Climate Range", our current Local & Global Economic structures will become totally redundant, as/and our Population levels will reduce quickly & significantly.
5) There is no validity to the assertion that a break out on the Climate up side will be any better than a break out on the Climate downside.
Either way the future of humanity will come under great stress & either way our survival can not be guaranteed!

The question is whether we've affected the balance to an extreme that may not be survivable. Human beings have survived ice ages. Could we survive:
Quote:

Stephen Hawking: "We don’t know where global warming will stop but the worst case scenario is that the earth will become like its sister planet Venus, with a temperature of 250 degrees C ..."

Could those conditions be survived by anything that we might recognise as life? I really don't want to be a member of the species that sterilises a planet.

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Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:13pm

namnugenot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

That's good news - it might help to ward off global warming.

So you'd think. Unfortunately:
http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/cru_2005.gif
and it ain't getting any cooler.

We should probably be heading into the next ice age, but:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Interglacials.gif
Notice that the current interglacial seems longer than the others? Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

The current interglacial being longer than the others due to burning of fossil fuels by humans?
You absolutely sure you want to run with that?

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

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Reply #23 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:52pm

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

namnugenot wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

That's good news - it might help to ward off global warming.

So you'd think. Unfortunately:
http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/cru_2005.gif
and it ain't getting any cooler.

We should probably be heading into the next ice age, but:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Interglacials.gif
Notice that the current interglacial seems longer than the others? Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

The current interglacial being longer than the others due to burning of fossil fuels by humans?
You absolutely sure you want to run with that?

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

Interesting strategy...leading with your chin with your pants around your ankles...
You do know how to read a graph don't you?
You do know it was longer well before any industrialisation?...much, much, much longer.

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Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 9:30pm

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 8:12pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

A few observations -
1) We are now at or past the average times pan, when the climate has shifted, over the last 450,000 years.
2) There may be a number of reasons for that, but one SHOULD consider that the cycle MAY be breaking and this could lead to a Venus style Planetary climate on the up side OR it MAY be that the Ice Age has only been delayed a little, possibly by our build up of GHG's.
3) Either way, humanity & many other species live within a "Goldilocks Climate Range" and WHEN (not if) the climate breaks out of the current "Goldilocks Climate Range" that we have enjoyed for some time now and that has seen our numbers flourish, our existence will become much more difficult.
4) When we do break out of the "Goldilocks Climate Range", our current Local & Global Economic structures will become totally redundant, as/and our Population levels will reduce quickly & significantly.
5) There is no validity to the assertion that a break out on the Climate up side will be any better than a break out on the Climate downside.
Either way the future of humanity will come under great stress & either way our survival can not be guaranteed!

The question is whether we've affected the balance to an extreme that may not be survivable. Human beings have survived ice ages. Could we survive:
Quote:

Stephen Hawking: "We don’t know where global warming will stop but the worst case scenario is that the earth will become like its sister planet Venus, with a temperature of 250 degrees C ..."

Could those conditions be survived by anything that we might recognise as life? I really don't want to be a member of the species that sterilises a planet.

Well, let me put it this way, outside of the "Goldilocks Climate Range", life as we now know it (the modern Economic era) would cease to exist!

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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 122487 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ice age on its way... Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 9:33pm It's the End Times & we're doomed.
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Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 9:42pm

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

That's good news - it might help to ward off global warming.

So you'd think. Unfortunately:
http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/cru_2005.gif
and it ain't getting any cooler.

We should probably be heading into the next ice age, but:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Interglacials.gif
Notice that the current interglacial seems longer than the others? Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

it's funny how a lot of dumb as dogshit people are now experts on climate science without even passing yr 9 science at high school Grin

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Ice age on its way... Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 9:46pm the global warming is about how man made influences are affecting the planet ... EARTH ...this story is about the SUN ... at best this will ward of global warming for a few years, but it does not in any way negate the arguments proving global warming
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Reply #29 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 10:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 9:42pm:

# wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

That's good news - it might help to ward off global warming.

So you'd think. Unfortunately:
http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/cru_2005.gif
and it ain't getting any cooler.

We should probably be heading into the next ice age, but:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Temperature_Interglacials.gif
Notice that the current interglacial seems longer than the others? Denialists will assure you that human activities couldn't possibly have that effect.

it's funny how a lot of dumb as dogshit people are now experts on climate science without even passing yr 9 science at high school Grin

Hi Nail,
the fact is that George Carlin is right -
we'll be just another failed extinct species after we wreck
the planet to make it inhospitable for ourselves -

then many new species will develop & the world will cleanse itself.

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