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Re: Boats still set out
Reply #60 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

'illegal maritime arrivals' are called 'illegal maritime arrivals' because they are 'illegal maritime arrivals'.

What you, Bolty and Pickering choose to call them isn't important.

The Migration Act 1958, however, is.

"For the purposes of this Act, a person is an unauthorised maritime arrival if ... "

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00679/Html/Volume_1#_Toc371587518

Migration Act 1958, 23 November 2013 (Current)

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Boats still set out Reply #61 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm: And this very Act proves once again their illegality explain what crime they are committing?
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Reply #62 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

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Reply #63 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:48pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 8:34pm:

'illegal maritime arrivals' are called 'illegal maritime arrivals' because they are 'illegal maritime arrivals'.

What you, Bolty and Pickering choose to call them isn't important.

The Migration Act 1958, however, is.

"For the purposes of this Act, a person is an unauthorised maritime arrival if ... "

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00679/Html/Volume_1#_Toc371587518

Migration Act 1958, 23 November 2013 (Current)

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

Their crime being ... ?

Can you cite case law?

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Re: Boats still set out
Reply #64 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: Boats still set out Reply #65 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:54pm crocodile wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:34pm: Indonesia is not a signatory to the international refugee convention And they holding on to this trump card as long and as firm as they can, they definitely USING this to their advantage, and are very relieved I bet
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Reply #66 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

Cannot legally work here and govt assistance and services has been drastically curtailed with Rudd.

Good work Rudd, you worked it out eventually and in keeping with the Labor tradition.

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Reply #67 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

"They were no longer refugees when they decided to enter Indonesian waters" (c)

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Re: Boats still set out
Reply #68 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:57pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

"They were no longer refugees when they decided to enter Indonesian waters" (c)

That statement is incorrect.

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Reply #69 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:58pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:54pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Indonesia is not a signatory to the international refugee convention

And they holding on to this trump card as long and as firm as they can, they definitely USING this to their advantage, and are very relieved I bet

About time we withdraw from the badly framed act that was designed with the horrors of Nazism in mind and couldn't anticipate information empowered country shoppers.

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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Reply #70 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

"They were no longer refugees when they decided to enter Indonesian waters" (c)

That statement is incorrect.

That's merely your opinion, against the bold fact

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Reply #71 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:01pm

Datalife wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:58pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:54pm:

crocodile wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Indonesia is not a signatory to the international refugee convention

And they holding on to this trump card as long and as firm as they can, they definitely USING this to their advantage, and are very relieved I bet

About time we withdraw from the badly framed act that was designed with the horrors of Nazism in mind and couldn't anticipate information empowered country shoppers.

One (any normal) would definitely think so Lips Sealed

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Re: Boats still set out
Reply #72 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:01pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

"They were no longer refugees when they decided to enter Indonesian waters" (c)

That statement is incorrect.

That's Merely your opinion, against the fact

If you think it's a "fact", you should have no problem citing your legal reference.

Over to you ...

(or, was it just your opinion?)

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Re: Boats still set out
Reply #73 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:06pm

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

"They were no longer refugees when they decided to enter Indonesian waters" (c)

Can you point out exactly where it says that?

"The 1951 Refugee Convention (as broadened by the 1967 Protocol) provides that the term “refugee” shall apply to any person who:

"owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."

http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=179&Itemi...

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Reply #74 - Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 11:01pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:56pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:

Stratos wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2014 at 10:37pm:

And this very Act proves once again their illegality

explain what crime they are committing?

Trespassing?
Every word in the "entered by sea" describes exactly what they are
Soren already pointed out: they were not running from anything when they illegally entered Indonesia, their lives were not threatened.

refugees cannot work or receive any government assistance. Their freedom is moat definitely at risk

"They were no longer refugees when they decided to enter Indonesian waters" (c)

That statement is incorrect.

That's Merely your opinion, against the fact

If you think it's a "fact", you should have no problem citing your legal reference.

Over to you ...

(or, was it just your opinion?)

Not opinion, fact
Refugee doesn't run from non-danger.

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