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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic Reply #15 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:17pm lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 11:40am: Excerpts from an article in Nature - ... You really should get your interpretations from somewhere other than denialist blogs. Aren't you confused enough?
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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #16 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:30pm

# wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Excerpts from an article in Nature -
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You really should get your interpretations from somewhere other than denialist blogs. Aren't you confused enough?

You really ARE deluded - Nature Magazine is not a denialist blog.

It bills itself as the "international weekly journal of science.

In the previous issue Chris Turney defended his Antarctic expedition.

That doesn't sound like a denialist blog.

It's a wonder I wasn't accused of taking it out of context. That seems to be the alarmist second line of defence.

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Reply #17 - Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:45pm

muso, you are right- natural variation does indeed get a mention.

However-'Natural forces alone (such as solar and volcanic activity) cannot explain the observed warming.[4]

4. ^ Jump up to: a b c d e US EPA, OAR, Climate Change Division (December 2009), Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act: Climate Change: US EPA (PDF), Press release: EPA's Final Endangerment Finding: Climate Change Facts. Docket ID EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0171.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change

So natural variation alone can't explain the warming, but natural variation alone can explain the hiatus.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic Reply #18 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:45pm: So natural variation alone can't explain the warming, but natural variation alone can explain the hiatus. Keep trying. Eventually you'll understand aerosols.
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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #19 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

muso wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

So natural variation alone can't explain the warming, but natural variation alone can explain the hiatus.

Keep trying. Eventually you'll understand aerosols.

An unexpected increase in the number of stratospheric aerosol particles could be another factor keeping Earth cooler than predicted. These particles reflect sunlight back into space, and scientists suspect that small volcanoes — and perhaps even industrialization in China — could have pumped extra aerosols into the stratosphere during the past 16 years, depressing global temperatures.

Some have argued that these two factors could be primary drivers of the hiatus, but studies published in the past few years suggest that their effects are likely to be relatively small4, 5. Trenberth, for example, analysed their impacts on the basis of satellite measurements of energy entering and exiting the planet, and estimated that aerosols and solar activity account for just 20% of the hiatus. That leaves the bulk of the hiatus to the oceans, which serve as giant sponges for heat. And here, the spotlight falls on the equatorial Pacific.

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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #20 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 7:27pm

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:30pm:

# wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Excerpts from an article in Nature -
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You really should get your interpretations from somewhere other than denialist blogs. Aren't you confused enough?

You really ARE deluded - Nature Magazine is not a denialist blog.
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True, but wherever you got your misinterpretation of the Nature article is, isn't it?

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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #21 - Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:54pm

# wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:30pm:

# wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Excerpts from an article in Nature -
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You really should get your interpretations from somewhere other than denialist blogs. Aren't you confused enough?

You really ARE deluded - Nature Magazine is not a denialist blog.
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True, but wherever you got your misinterpretation of the Nature article is, isn't it?

You're saying a source wasn't provided Shocked

-that's andreis trick, trying to trick everyone into beleiving he's such a big swinger he doesn't need to provide sources: he uses the o noble art of subtlety.... Grin

yeh, subtle as a slegehammer Cheesy

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21622 Gender:	Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 11:31am # wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 7:27pm: You really ARE deluded True BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:54pm: You're saying a source wasn't provided Shocked Shocked But a source was provided- Please do try to keep up.
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Reply #23 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

lee wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

# wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

You really ARE deluded
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BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 18^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

You're saying a source wasn't provided Shocked Shocked

But a source was provided- Please do try to keep up. Roll Eyes

Your evasiveness sounds a lot like greggerypeccary. The source of the article was provided; the source of the misinterpretation wasn't.

You've never been known to come up with an analysis of your own. Your starting point is always some denialist blog. In this case, I'm guessing Watts.

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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 9:30pm:

# wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on Jan 17^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Excerpts from an article in Nature -
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You really should get your interpretations from somewhere other than denialist blogs. Aren't you confused enough?

You really ARE deluded - Nature Magazine is not a denialist blog.

It bills itself as the "international weekly journal of science.

In the previous issue Chris Turney defended his Antarctic expedition.

That doesn't sound like a denialist blog.

It's a wonder I wasn't accused of taking it out of context. That seems to be the alarmist second line of defence.

"Deluded" is an excellent description.

Anything that does not support the AGW theory, is a "denialist blog".

Disciples of AGW will not accept any evidence that dares to question their theory.

They will always attack the source of the information, no matter how credible it may be.

Never, in all my life, have I encountered such a closed-minded group of individuals.

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:02pm Talk sense Talk calmly Talk logically AND STOP SPEWING PARANOIAC RUBBISH!
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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #26 - Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

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"Deluded" is an excellent description.
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Of you, greggerypeccary, it certainly is. For example:
# wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

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Bearing in mind that the vast majority of the best qualified hold a consistent position on Anthropogenic Global Warming, what are your qualifications for denying that there is "enough reliable, credible evidence to support it"?

Is your position scepticism or denial?

Scepticism.

As I've already explained to you, I am completely open-minded: AGW may indeed be happening.

Considering the evidence available at the moment though, I remain sceptical.

So what is your rationale for denying the credibility of the evidence upon which the vast majority of the best qualified rely?

From your failure to respond, I infer that you have no rational basis for your denial.

Given that scepticism is a rational philosophy, if your denial has no rational basis, is it scepticism? If your denial is not scepticism, are you a genuine sceptic?

You can easily establish your credibility by detailing your rationale. If you can't do that, then you might do yourself a favour by examining the reasons for your faith in a belief system that is not supported by the vast majority of the best qualified.

The invitation was repeated many times:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/66#66
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/55#55
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/53#53
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/33#33
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/31#31
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375834924/35#35
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375841990/57#57
and these are only the ones that a quick search turned up.

You repeatedly failed to present any evidence that your belief is rational. I've noticed that you no longer call yourself a sceptic, greggerypeccary, so you at least seem to have become a bit more realistic about yourself.

Have you abandoned your delusion that there is not "enough reliable, credible evidence to support" Anthropogenic Global Warming? If not, can you:

substantiate the assertion and/or
detail the rational basis for your belief?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 156156 Gender:	Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic Reply #27 - Jan 20^th, 2014 at 1:16am viewpoint wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:02pm: Talk sense Talk calmly Talk logically AND STOP SPEWING PARANOIAC RUBBISH! http://lh3.ggpht.com/v4vblog/SNzz55jX3SI/AAAAAAAABac/ozzqWdizKVY/s800/Scared-Man... That's asking an awful lot from the AGW disciples. Their whole existence is based on paranoiac rubbish.
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Re: How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic
Reply #28 - Jan 20^th, 2014 at 4:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 20^th, 2014 at 1:16am:

viewpoint wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Talk sense
Talk calmly
Talk logically
AND STOP SPEWING PARANOIAC RUBBISH!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/v4vblog/SNzz55jX3SI/AAAAAAAABac/ozzqWdizKVY/s800/Scared-Man...

That's asking an awful lot from the AGW disciples.

Their whole existence is based on paranoiac rubbish.

Only the paranoid survive: war is conducted in the economic sphere!

How many times do you want me to repeat this?..

System corrupts man.........
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